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[00:00:31] from the high desert and the great American Southwest I've did you all good

[00:00:36] evening good morning good afternoon whatever the case is wherever you are on world this is midnight in the desert I'm

[00:00:44] art bell welcome to the program this program is free to all we appreciate

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[00:01:14] the beginning of the show so here we go cellos for the great sound Joe Talbot hearing from Thank You Keith Roland my

[00:01:21] webmaster of course dr. J my producer all of you now the Bell gab website a

[00:01:28] lot of friends up there they are a little wicked little lovable little both

[00:01:37] little rough but you know if that's how you like it then we also have something

[00:01:43] called people who love art they'll and I want to thank them MJ stem it seems I never mentioned them

[00:01:50] and I I think one of the reasons is because of the name you know people love our belt really and there's a new one

[00:01:57] called midnight in desert calm and they follow the show and they are a milder

[00:02:03] bunch I think both of those are listed up on the site now I think that's all

[00:02:11] the sites the stream guys of course they carry the big heavy load to get to you LV net they provide the back-and-forth

[00:02:17] internet that gets me on the air and Peter ever heard of course my sales guy

[00:02:23] up way up north in Alaska I think that's

[00:02:28] it alright I've got a few things that I want to say one it looks like they found

[00:02:34] it 370 a US official says air safety investigators have a this is in quotes

[00:02:41] high degree of confidence that a photo of aircraft debris found in

[00:02:46] the Indian Ocean near Reunion as a matter of fact or on Reunion washed up

[00:02:52] is of a wing component unique to the Boeing triple7 I think Boeing is sure

[00:03:01] though they haven't you know identified the numbers yet and I think this is 370

[00:03:08] so everybody can stop scouring diego garcia and i think probably what they're

[00:03:14] doing is they're trying to figure out the proper protocol to notify relatives

[00:03:20] and of course they do have to read the number so we'll see but it looks like they have found it um this goes to last

[00:03:31] night's show and i want to read it because i really think it does go to last night's show back in 2001 as part

[00:03:37] of steven Greer's disclosure project you know stephen wright sergeant first class Clifford stone blew the whistle on what

[00:03:44] he referred to as unacknowledged special access groups or you saps within the US

[00:03:51] government programs like this are commonly referred to as black projects or deep black programs and they are of

[00:04:00] an extremely covert and secretive nature of course unacknowledged special access programs are said to be highly

[00:04:06] compartmentalized something I mentioned the other night right and even with

[00:04:12] those the necessary security clearances can only access the information on a need-to-know basis and you only need to

[00:04:18] know so much they're hidden from public oversight and accounting no in other

[00:04:26] words no watchdog committee watches over them and they probably consume for

[00:04:34] example in 2013 Tom Edward Snowden leaked secret

[00:04:39] government documentation that proved a they do exist and B we spend about fifty

[00:04:46] two point six billion dollars toward those operations in 2013 so that all

[00:04:54] goes back to last night fifty two point six billion dollars how

[00:05:00] many doctors appointments would that be and now something by the way coming up

[00:05:07] of course we have a guest tonight eventually we will be getting to him Preston Dennett is my guest and this may

[00:05:14] interest him it interested me he talks about ghosts and this comes from

[00:05:20] anomalous calm a lot of good things do there is something notable about males and violence in real life right how many

[00:05:28] times does somebody walk in somewhere and start shooting usually it's a guy but there is something notable about

[00:05:34] them after life there's a study conducted by somebody named Eldon or

[00:05:43] Hardison I believe it is a psychologist at the University of Iceland of all

[00:05:49] places of 337 cases of people who have reported encounters with the dead what a

[00:05:58] survey the apparitions were mostly males and were the cause and it's where the

[00:06:05] cause of death was known and in 30 percent of the cases the person had died violently that may not sound very

[00:06:12] significant it's 30 percent right but the percentage of violent deaths in the

[00:06:18] study during the relevant time period Studies of reincarnation cases most notably by the Lady Anne Stevenson show

[00:06:25] the same pattern of mostly males being involved again and again and again

[00:06:33] so I guess mean in this life mean in

[00:06:38] that life and then there's no way I can let Cecil go without comment Cecil the

[00:06:44] lion it's got to be the status dog on

[00:06:52] story I've ever seen Cecil was killed by a dentist I guess you know that now right this was a lion in a Preserve in

[00:07:00] Africa in a Preserve and it is said that it was lured out of the preserve

[00:07:08] so this dentist could from what I heard she bows and arrows shoot arrows at it

[00:07:17] and then I guess was up to like 40 hours before poor Cecil loved by many and

[00:07:25] tagged by the way died it took him a

[00:07:32] long time to die so this guy could have

[00:07:39] his people lower amount and shoot him and the public is really ticked off I

[00:07:48] mean really ticked off now this doctor has sort of just disappeared I don't

[00:07:53] blame him everybody's after him he's much hated but it's just really a sad

[00:08:01] story if you could see this this lion my goodness if anything will bring you

[00:08:08] close to crying that's it I have cats as you know recently lost my Yeti oh god that was sorry but so

[00:08:16] cecil's nothing but a big cat really big cat was a really big cat killed that Dennis shot him so that's a big deal and

[00:08:24] then there's one final item and then we'll break and that is I discussed this

[00:08:33] the other day I brought it up it's the cube I don't know why I'm stuck on the cube but I'm stuck on the cube and I

[00:08:41] asked Keith to bring it to the top of the website which he did but then he

[00:08:47] thought I was done with it and I was just gonna discard the cube like it was nothing and so he eliminated it from the

[00:08:54] website and I called him today as at Keith's where's the cube I thought you were done with it no I'm far from done

[00:09:02] with the cube and I'm gonna discuss this with our guest coming up no I'm not done

[00:09:09] with the cube I would like you all to go there and look at it if you get a chance these are still photographs take it I

[00:09:17] might add by many people that's really important taken by many people so please go take a look at it

[00:09:26] and I think this is something serious maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm fooled

[00:09:32] maybe I am a fool but it's being discarded by much of the UFO community

[00:09:38] why because well it's a cube and I think

[00:09:45] that is a tragic serious mistake on the part of ufology no maybe it's some cube

[00:09:55] balloon or something I don't know but it's really odd it doesn't belong

[00:10:01] it certainly doesn't belong popping out of a cloud here's my thinking who are we

[00:10:11] to say that a UFO has got to look like a

[00:10:17] flying saucer I mean isn't it just silly to say that for all we know

[00:10:22] UFOs are invisible or UFOs are cubes or

[00:10:28] something else that doesn't make sense I think this cube is extremely

[00:10:33] mysterious real because many people got photographs in different from different locations and it started me thinking

[00:10:42] well ufology seems to be sort of dismissing this and I think it's because it's not a saucer how could we possibly

[00:10:52] know how they think how could we even

[00:10:57] guess what they might build isn't that rather and what's right word egotistical

[00:11:05] of us or earth-centered of us or human-centered of of us to be doing I I

[00:11:12] think there's something really there and because it doesn't look like what we imagined doesn't mean it isn't worth our

[00:11:20] attention go to our Appel calm you'll see it at the top and you can hear the

[00:11:26] comments of the people all right coming up Preston Dennett began investigating

[00:11:33] UFOs and Perrin normal tonight we're not gonna concentrate so much on UFOs well little cute talk at the beginning and then out

[00:11:40] of body and maybe some ghosts anyway he started all this back in 86 when he

[00:11:46] discovered that his family friends co-workers were having dramatic and unexplained encounters since then he's

[00:11:54] interviewed hundreds of witnesses investigated a wide variety of paranormal phenomena he is a field

[00:12:00] investigator for the MUFON UFO network a ghost hunter a paranormal researcher the

[00:12:08] author of 17 books and a hundred articles Wow been all over the place radio shows TV

[00:12:16] shows History Channel's deep sea UFOs and UFO Hunters his research has been on

[00:12:23] presented for example by the LA Times LA Daily News Dallas Morning News you get

[00:12:28] the idea all over the place he's thought classes on paranormal subjects and

[00:12:35] lectures across the u.s. he currently lives in Reseda California and he'll

[00:12:41] tell you all about his website he will be here in a few moments

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[00:13:37] it's denial one nine five two two two five fifty to seventy eight that's one nine five to call art sarah go take a

[00:13:45] look at the cube actually two separate people who haven't capture good shots of

[00:13:53] the cube coming out of the cloud or whatever it is it's doing and I'm telling you if it's weird

[00:14:00] alright on now to our press in Dennett we're gonna talk about a lot of things out-of-body mainly I think but we're

[00:14:06] going to start we're gonna start with the cube hey president I art I'm doing

[00:14:13] I'm doing really well you are in Reseda California right that's right okay

[00:14:19] I called you before the show and I said look at the cube and I take it you did I

[00:14:25] looked at the cube okay now it doesn't look like a UFO and what well in the

[00:14:31] strictest sense I guess it does it's unidentified and it appears to be flying other than that though it doesn't match

[00:14:37] up with the you know what most people think it ought to look like but it's weird we're really weird right right no it's

[00:14:44] not silver or metallic it's not saucer shaped it's not D shaped it's not no spherical right no these are the common

[00:14:51] ones that you know I think we hear a lot of yes yes but you know they might not

[00:14:56] think like us huh well how could they possibly I mean by definition they are

[00:15:01] alien and this is one of the things that's really I think kind of frustrating and same time interesting

[00:15:06] about you know investigating UFOs is the variety of these craft yes we do get a

[00:15:12] lot of saucer shapes but you know I don't think there's a shape healthcare that you know we haven't heard about whether it's you know crosses or

[00:15:18] doughnut shapes or Crescent shapes or I mean it just goes on I had one guy tell

[00:15:24] me you know I don't know how to describe the shape it was wasn't dock tog octagonal it all these different you

[00:15:30] know sides that were you know different lengths was very oddly shaped like a lump it's all kind of described it we

[00:15:36] seem to want it to be a saucer you know yeah tell us was our nice shapes ain't

[00:15:42] very convenient but uh certainly that's not the only thing people are seeing I think that that came from the early

[00:15:49] movies science fiction movies that we had because they they were all saucers

[00:15:54] right since Kenneth Arnold you know he didn't actually see saucers and apparently the Roswell craft wasn't you know

[00:16:01] technically a saucer there you go right you're absolutely right okay well anyway

[00:16:06] I really wanted to call attention to that I want people to look at it it is to me as much if not more of a mystery

[00:16:13] than no stuff that's like a saucer yeah you know what you know what I like about

[00:16:19] the photograph actually is you can see this thing before it's fully formed oh yes as if it's you know interdimensional

[00:16:26] coming into our yes/no physical space that's the other thing I mean who says their method of

[00:16:31] propulsion is remotely like anything we even imagined it might have just materialized there right but you can see

[00:16:38] it interacting with the cloud you know yes clearly looks like an a very large object you know quite a distance from

[00:16:44] the cameras yeah be hard to fake for sure no it would and I don't think it was a fake I mean when people get it

[00:16:50] from different angles I suppose it could be a fake craft as it were but it's not

[00:16:57] a fake photograph that's for sure well I listened to the interview and you can tell the witnesses are obviously sincere

[00:17:02] yes you know and with multiple witnesses hold up right off the bat there you've got a good case but it didn't go nuts

[00:17:08] like most things like that would and I'm convinced the reason it didn't go nuts even though it was covered is because it

[00:17:15] didn't look right the monolith did scare

[00:17:21] people a little bit exactly exactly right um oh I'm getting a little notice

[00:17:27] of internet connection problem from you but I don't hear it you sound great um

[00:17:33] yeah I can hear you fine no well so much for you Skype alright let's go let's

[00:17:41] move to OBEs and and I really really love the subject of OBEs president I

[00:17:47] only had one in my whole life it happened when

[00:17:52] Ramona and I went to Paris France and it was amazing

[00:17:58] Preston I had been asleep I I woke up

[00:18:05] and it was like somebody snapped a switch and this is the only way I can

[00:18:12] describe it I was in the most joyous welcoming amazing place I had ever been

[00:18:21] it was absolute pure joy but it scared the heck out of me and I snapped right

[00:18:30] out of it I was somewhere else I mean instantaneously I was somewhere

[00:18:36] else an amazing place of some kind but boy did it shock me Preston I I didn't

[00:18:41] do any tours I didn't get to go to some other place on the earth as people have

[00:18:46] been described to do with OBEs but it was incredible you know there aren't

[00:18:53] words so there really aren't I know what you're talking about but we're on a

[00:18:58] radio show so we're gonna have to find words so what is an out-of-body

[00:19:05] experience well you know the simple definition is not about experiences when

[00:19:10] you perceive yourself as being separate from your body and to elaborate that on that a little bit we all have a dream

[00:19:18] body or an astral body if you will which is separate from the physical and in

[00:19:23] fact we're kind of projecting down here from the so called other side into a

[00:19:29] physical body so an out-of-body experience is sort of the reverse of that they call it projection but in fact

[00:19:34] we're going towards you know our source and that we not only have we're going

[00:19:40] toward our stores right we not only have a physical body and an astral body as we

[00:19:46] get into this it gets a little bit more complicated than that we have it wait wait what is the source um where we come

[00:19:52] from you know God all that is the spirit which moves through all things on the universe you know the light it goes by

[00:20:00] many different names in different cultures but it's pretty clear you start doing this stuff that there's

[00:20:07] something up there okay I'm gonna give you a gift that will keep on giving okay

[00:20:12] I'm ready you mentioned the light right right mm-hmm um John Lear is a friend of mine you

[00:20:21] know the name I'm sure right oh absolutely okay Learjet Fame daddy anyway I did a

[00:20:28] very serious interview with John Lear one in which he said the most important

[00:20:33] thing I'm never going to tell you art or something along those lines is as follows when you die you will have a

[00:20:39] choice of going to the light or the darkness don't go to the light it's a

[00:20:45] trick and I'll leave you with that Preston for you to think about that the

[00:20:52] rest of your life but ever since I'm not

[00:20:58] been in the light you know I've gone out of my body I've done all of this uh-huh so you're here to say the light is the

[00:21:06] way on it's part of the universe there's a source of error there's something

[00:21:11] really wonderful within you know the so called light that near-death experiencers are reporting absolutely so

[00:21:18] are you sure enough of the goodness of the light to say John's all wet go to

[00:21:24] the light go towards the light yeah I think that you're gonna be fine you know

[00:21:32] I would say when you're at that point you know make the decision then

[00:21:39] uncomfortable with see this this egg turn away driven me nuts ever since I mean you make the wrong choice and

[00:21:46] there's no going back well here's the problem this is a big problem on the other side you know people who don't go

[00:21:51] towards light who are stuck here on the physical plane as ghosts now a lot of these people don't even know they're

[00:21:57] dead and this actually turns up pretty much every out-of-body book I've ever

[00:22:02] read alright alright did you hear what I read at the beginning of the program about the study and Iceland of the

[00:22:08] people who died violently yes yes I heard it oh my god yeah so it's it's

[00:22:16] real in other words I've said jokingly few times you know nasty on this side nasty on that side you think some truth

[00:22:24] to that oh yeah the there's kind of levels of vibration and if you are vibrating you

[00:22:29] know it with low-level emotions like lust or anger or greed or all of this

[00:22:35] kind of stuff violence you're not gonna be able to move up to the you know the higher realms where it vibrates much

[00:22:41] faster it's much more beautiful you have many more what I would call I guess

[00:22:47] supernatural powers mmm this sort of thing I've had a love love sting oh yeah

[00:22:55] you know this is something that the astral body is actually called the desire body there's something you'll

[00:23:01] find out pretty quick if you start doing this sort of stuff regularly because

[00:23:06] this is where all your emotions come from and your suppressions and anything

[00:23:12] you've really not dealt with and when you pop out of body this is not at all unusual people have become absolutely

[00:23:19] terrified yeah oh I get that or completely joyous welcome consumed

[00:23:25] with lust or you know the desire to eat food it seems to me if you pop out of your

[00:23:32] body and then get consumed with lust you're in real trouble because you need that body well you know it's very much

[00:23:40] like having an erotic dream you might say oh they are awake I get it sure um so it's actually a

[00:23:47] really wonderful experience because you can have live out pretty much any fantasy you want you can create feasts of food you can do just about anything

[00:23:54] that you can think of the power of thought on the other side is amazing you

[00:24:00] just think it and you can it has a huge the way you're talking about it leaves

[00:24:05] not much question in anybody's mind you've been there you know I absolutely believe I have you know I

[00:24:12] really do I think that we actually all have Auto Body experiences but the trick is really remembering them and I'm not

[00:24:18] alone with this this is what other out-of-body traveller says well really oh yeah gee I can't forget mine it was

[00:24:26] it was so profound that I can't forget it there are various tricks on there too

[00:24:32] getting out of your body let's let's go there I have heard it said that for

[00:24:40] example feeling paralyzed and hearing a

[00:24:47] buzzing sound is very frequently something that precedes a possible OBE

[00:24:54] is it true right that's called the vibratory state and your that means you're ready you're actually feeling the

[00:25:00] higher vibration of the next dimension which is what that is so you're ready to go it's basically

[00:25:08] just a process of relaxing to you get to that plant okay I've been there I can't

[00:25:13] get past it it's too scary yeah this is

[00:25:18] a there's a huge fear barrier which you have to get over and just do it the

[00:25:23] thing to remember is you can't be hurt when you're out-of-body it's a non physical state no I know this is what

[00:25:31] everybody who talks about OBEs says you can't be hurt but I don't know let me

[00:25:38] ask you this when when you're out of body is that I hate to use this word but

[00:25:44] I'm gonna is that your soul that is separating from your body in your opinion um you know I don't know it's

[00:25:52] quite like that rather than it's just sort of an awakening to what's already there or kind of reaching out to the larger

[00:25:59] parts of yourself just certain extent it feels like that I mean it feels like you are no longer in your body

[00:26:05] um if you get good at this though you can get to a point where you can do what's called bilocation and I've had of

[00:26:12] just a few tiny tastes of that do you think we have souls oh yeah well then when you leave your

[00:26:18] body would it be your guess that it is probably your soul that's a leavin I we

[00:26:27] have to be leavin right now we'll be right back in a few minutes so relax enjoy yourself that sounds pretty good

[00:26:35] and we're talking about an oasis for the soul perhaps with Preston denna right now

[00:26:41] we're talking about out-of-body experiences trust and welcome back hello

[00:26:47] hello okay so I was talking about or asking about the soul whether you

[00:26:53] thought the soul left the body when you leave the body right well some people do

[00:27:00] call it soul travel um you know I I really don't know who I'm kind of just

[00:27:06] telling you what I experienced another favorite um so I can't really say that

[00:27:11] I'm that this is my soul but I do feel like there's a you have a separate body

[00:27:17] a dream body which has actually these amazing abilities such as flying flying

[00:27:23] alone is worth the price of admission for doing this thing oh yes Oh flying I'm so into flying and and you know just

[00:27:32] sort of floating and flying around the buildings and the lakes and the trees in the forest we all kind of want to do

[00:27:38] that and how cool it must be and you you're claiming you have done it right

[00:27:44] walk through walls visit distant locations I think a lot of people had flying dreams and this is a

[00:27:51] real close indicator that you're you know close to remembering what's going on at night we're all having these

[00:27:56] experiences on each night how do you know whether you're ready to walk through a wall um well you try it you

[00:28:03] know it's a little disconcerting boom

[00:28:10] took over a year to keep my eyes open I wouldn't fly through telephone wires

[00:28:17] for a really long time just cuz I was a little bit nervous about it so you really you you swear on a stack of

[00:28:24] somethings that you've walked through walls absolutely it's a remarkable experience

[00:28:29] you can actually feel it that is so cool and what brick is like a different texture from a wood whoa oh wait

[00:28:36] describe it you said you can feel it if you walk through a wall never having walked through one tell me what does it

[00:28:43] feel like um well you know it's hard to describe but you can feel the

[00:28:48] surface of the material whether it's rough or smooth I'm like brick is kind of grainy and rocky and you can feel it

[00:28:55] right through your entire body for your arms and legs Wow and which is different

[00:29:01] from wood and smaller thinner substances like glass I know words are hard for

[00:29:07] this let me try this is there any difference in the resistance of wood

[00:29:12] going through a wall and you know walking through a brick wall yeah woods easier glass is easiest you

[00:29:19] really pop out it's like going through a bubble you feel it a little tug you're out oh that's cool

[00:29:26] you know there's been times I've walked into walls and boom hit it I really appreciate your being able to describe

[00:29:31] this it's awesome I've always wondered what it would feel like and you're saying there is a difference and and you

[00:29:38] said with glass it's kind of like a little understand all right but you can

[00:29:44] reach a point you know where you don't actually feel any of this if you're vibrating a really high frequency but

[00:29:49] normally when that person pops out you know they're still pretty low frequency and they're trying to just orient themselves and you try and walk through

[00:29:56] a wall you might bounce off of it which has happened to me many times you know it took me a little bit to learn how to do it well see that's what I'm worried

[00:30:02] about failure at walking through walls probably has some consequences especially if you're really sure of

[00:30:08] yourself and just call Stratton right up do it boom no there was one time I pop thought about him like yeah I'm doing it

[00:30:14] you know I flew through my bedroom door flew through the hallway door I was into the hallway outside and I flew down the

[00:30:20] staircase of my condo building where I lived at the time yeah and landed into the second landing and sunk right up to

[00:30:27] my knees flailing around I lost I just

[00:30:34] was pulled back into my body see that's part of the really scary part to me it just really is the possibility that you

[00:30:42] might sink into something that's not good you know some of your fears because

[00:30:49] the truth is what I found is it's very beneficial and that the dangers are way

[00:30:54] overstated and I found in fact it's got a lot more benefits than dangers there's

[00:31:00] no real danger of getting locked out of your body or getting possessed or going too

[00:31:05] far away or getting lost or anything like that no cuz pet you have this silver cord which pulls you back in fact

[00:31:13] the problem is staying out that's truly the problem and you get pulled back at the least if you even think about your

[00:31:19] body if you have a you know a lot of fear it will pull you back a lot of emotion of any kind will pull you right

[00:31:24] back into your by I've got to give you this every person I've talked to on OBEs over the years has said roughly the same

[00:31:31] thing so you know that resonates with me I've never had a description of walking through things that was really cool but

[00:31:37] the part about getting yanked back if there's danger or if there's big emotion or something like that

[00:31:43] most have said that that's what causes me just can't buy into all this precedent because everybody's saying the

[00:31:49] same thing oh yeah you know at first you're thinking oh my gosh no is this happening to me this can't be real I must be dreaming

[00:31:55] and you didn't to this sort of quest I mean you know when the beginners always want to start moving objects I tried

[00:32:01] that for years and I still can't do it there's some people claim to be able to do it right not possible I guess I

[00:32:08] haven't been able to do it but you want to what I did was it was able to do is go to a distant location and look at it

[00:32:15] and like wow you know I didn't expect this to look like this was location near my house which I'd never been to yes and

[00:32:22] I'm like alright I'm gonna go there and see if this is actually true because what it was was the cement River which

[00:32:29] is near my house at the time and it had dirt banked up on the sides huge amounts I'm like there's no way this is a

[00:32:35] Symetra there was plants growing and all this stuff I'm like I have to go see this so I got proof that you know this

[00:32:41] is not well the first time I got proof that this is not just a dream cuz it's

[00:32:46] very like pretty disorienting and you're out of your body and you're walking around you feel like a ghost alright so

[00:32:53] here's a question for you if you are out of your body and try to move something is it just your hand that goes right

[00:33:00] through it right or you might think you actually moved it and you know cuz

[00:33:06] there's there's kind of weird duplicate energy forms I guess thought forms

[00:33:12] that you're moving around which do move but it's not the actual physical object so no I've been able to do it and I was

[00:33:19] obsessed with it because I don't know I felt like this ghost walking around you

[00:33:25] know and I thought I was dealing with a lot of emotions dealing with a lot of lost a lot of you know gluttony how I

[00:33:30] would create these feasts and food and all this kind of thing that brings up another topic which I want to ask you

[00:33:36] about you said you felt like a ghost is it possible Preston that some ghost

[00:33:44] reports are people doing OBEs I would be

[00:33:50] surprised if it wasn't the case really I think that there's a few verified cases not nearly as many as I would think

[00:33:56] would be out there but uh almost certainly that has to be the case I

[00:34:01] there are a lot of cases in the literature at least where people have gone over to other people's houses and appeared um which I've tried to do by

[00:34:08] the way and I'm flying around in front of people I'm like Here I am no it's do you see me do you see me serious they don't see me they cannot

[00:34:17] see me but you can see what they're doing right right if not can you hear

[00:34:23] them um well let me think about that I don't think I've been able to do that

[00:34:30] I'd have to you know I don't think so there's didn't know there's been a

[00:34:36] couple of cases yeah I was once you know where to San Diego I have a friend who lives down in San Diego thought you know

[00:34:42] this is a far way to go I'll try that okay you know and this is kind of what you do you have a plan in mind if you

[00:34:49] don't have your agenda ready you're gonna get distracted you're gonna lose consciousness you have to really focus

[00:34:54] the type of consciousness you're saying you can plan this like you would a trip exactly wow you really hesitated when I

[00:35:03] asked you about whether you could hear people that's interesting you would think the auditory aspect of it would

[00:35:09] either be shockingly there or even more shockingly missing um well you know when

[00:35:15] when you go to the other side so to speak yes um it's telepathic

[00:35:21] you do hear music and things like that but when people are talking you're sharing them in your mind okay that

[00:35:27] helps that says it all do you always hear them in your mind or sort of just if you want to usually I'm

[00:35:35] not always know I once popped out this is something I wanted I said I want to meet an enlightened master you know

[00:35:41] someone who's made it right and this beautiful woman appeared on my balcony

[00:35:46] I'm just a beautiful blonde woman she says keep your eyes open and she grabbed my arm and pulled me up of course I

[00:35:53] closed my eyes and I instantly opened them and she's depositing me into this field and there's this guy sitting on a

[00:36:00] chair who I'm presuming is you know the enlightened master okay and he gives out this one weird sense which is what they

[00:36:06] do these kind of cones or poems or something little riddles and it was

[00:36:13] really interesting what he says he says when you do something do it absolutely and he said it out loud

[00:36:20] he's punctuating each word so it was an odd sentence for sure which you know has

[00:36:26] hidden meaning to it which I could talk about sure the whole thing is just so

[00:36:33] astounding to me how many times Preston have you done this I mean is it so many

[00:36:39] you can't count or one well I probably could count it but it's got to be in the

[00:36:44] thousands there unconsciously I think again that's a trick question yeah I

[00:36:49] don't only to be I'm I don't mean it to be I really don't I I'm so curious about

[00:36:55] this and of course people aren't gonna come forward and they're gonna say I want to do this so badly how do I do it

[00:37:03] right well you know for one thing there's no real qualifications all you

[00:37:09] need is the desire and the time to do it you can be open-minded enough to do it mm-hmm you know put in the discipline I

[00:37:15] don't think there's any link to physical health because some people are really good at this have ill health and others

[00:37:21] are very healthy as you know there's no real dangers as I was talking about it

[00:37:27] or earlier and the only real obstacles I think are that people are skeptical about it or they're scared

[00:37:35] okay all right all right they're lazy I'm gonna pin you to the wall here you know you said there's no real danger and

[00:37:41] I've had other people say that to me too so here's the question that I need an

[00:37:46] answer to how do you know that some people who have left their body on this

[00:37:52] excursion into joy Ville wherever it is you're going didn't have the cord snap

[00:38:00] and we now regard those people who left

[00:38:06] us in such a way as having died in their sleep I mean right I can I can definitely

[00:38:12] speak to that there's one case you know supposedly or something like that presumably did happen um but uh you know

[00:38:19] it was only one it's kind of what I would call an outlier and one person did tell me that they had a similar

[00:38:25] experience and of mine says it only takes one white crow to prove there's white crows it's these are statistically

[00:38:32] insignificant

[00:38:39] there are just very small residue flying is Shafer I know and yeah and anyone can

[00:38:46] do it that's absolutely easy to do right let's go back to this one that you know of this outlier you called it right you

[00:38:55] know I um all I can tell you about the case is supposedly this lady was

[00:39:00] proficient at doing out about experiences and one day died at a young

[00:39:05] age and there was no real link that they could make you know specifically that

[00:39:11] she was out of body practicing at the time she was doing it but uh it's one case we have of you know people who are

[00:39:17] really good at this and are doing it regularly and they've time at a young

[00:39:22] age mysteriously most of the people experience actually the opposite I've got 20 cases are now

[00:39:29] I'm worried of people have got healed of chronic illness or healed of cancer or

[00:39:35] healed of all kinds of illnesses colds

[00:39:41] out of their bodies absolutely you know there's these energies on the other side

[00:39:47] this is where your body is astral bodies the superior body it doesn't age and your visible body is

[00:39:53] kind of modeled after it so you can actually reach these healing places and

[00:40:00] heal yourself of physical illness now she has making quite a claim yeah I've

[00:40:08] got 20 cases you know there are anecdotal but a really good one is Bruce

[00:40:13] Mon um he cured himself of sarcoidosis which you know his case was a really bad

[00:40:19] one and it's often fatal and he was getting worse and worse and was able to go out of body and work on this wound

[00:40:27] better than Obamacare huh well I recently you know tried to go to one of these healing temples and was successful

[00:40:33] I couldn't believe it I was sewing there are Kimball's on the other side where you can go to be

[00:40:40] healed right I've read about him several times you know people have you know you hear different kind of explanations and

[00:40:46] descriptions I would say and I'm like well this is something I want to do you know I'm gonna put this on my list and I

[00:40:52] did it I popped out of body and I you know made the command sort of made the intent known and at that point you're

[00:40:59] pulled off through the other side or up into the sky where I was fifty feet up above my house and then boom you go

[00:41:07] through this weird barrier I guess you would call it and you're on the other side Wow and it's what I would call the heavenly

[00:41:14] realms you know honestly I'm not a very religious man but uh this is what it

[00:41:19] feels like I mean I'm not overly religious either question so I'm with you there I have hopes but I I have no

[00:41:29] strong faith and I wish I did I wish I did and and it

[00:41:36] might well be that seeing what you're describing would absolutely do the trick

[00:41:41] for me bring me to the healing temple hey I've got a bad back exactly what

[00:41:47] what you do anyone can do this he's just meditated on this subject as you go to sleep you there's various ways of

[00:41:55] reaching the other side and you don't have to go through all the weird exit sensations and things like this

[00:42:00] I'm say about half of the out-of-body experiences I have I just wake up on the

[00:42:05] other side and know you're fully awake by the way colors are much more vivid it's the real reality this is a pale

[00:42:13] comparison if I can just get past the fear I mean it really is scary Preston

[00:42:20] because you do go through that thing where there's a humming sound and you

[00:42:26] may go through getting feeling paralyzed these are frightening things to happen

[00:42:33] to a person before you get to something better they really are scary oh yeah it very

[00:42:39] loud it can feel like an electric shock and still you're standing next to a jet engine that will see that's what I mean

[00:42:45] but you know that's as bad as the kids and then pop you're out and boy is it worth it and there's just so many things

[00:42:52] you can do you can learn about your past lives for instance you can visit those

[00:42:58] loved ones and so I don't slow up slow up past lives past lives my goodness

[00:43:05] Preston so you believe in reincarnation well you know I think I'm leaning

[00:43:12] towards it for sure because uh I have some weird memories flown through my head which I can't pinpoint to this life

[00:43:19] and this has kind of always been that way for me but really when I started going out of body I'm like alright let's

[00:43:25] see a past life and you did I was able to do it several times may I inquire

[00:43:34] what you learned of yourself um I learned that a lot of them one life was

[00:43:40] you know as a Native American it's really interesting because often you're taken to the most traumatic or emotional

[00:43:47] incident of a lifetime which is often the death scene this was one where it wasn't it was sort of the what would

[00:43:54] what would you call it come of awakening where a 17 year old turns into a man type of ceremony I would definitely not

[00:44:01] want to go to my death scene yeah it's scary let me tell you I pulled out from

[00:44:06] a couple of them I'm like no no I'm not doing this but uh you know this is

[00:44:12] something you learn a lot about yourself learned a lot about you know my obsessions with ships for instance

[00:44:19] yeah I've had a lot of lifetime's where I was on you know an eighth in the Navy or sailing or app I heard even Wow a lot

[00:44:27] of life times where I was a monk which I found kind of interesting because I'm really not religious but kind of really

[00:44:33] into the same sort of thing if you think about it you know you're like a travel agent for the other side oh it's amazing

[00:44:39] I can't ask people enough to just try this you know if you still have fear there's a really good way doing it is

[00:44:47] you think of someone you love who's already on the other side some and you can create a love bridge and pretty much

[00:44:54] everyone has at least one person they know who's you know passed away and what you do is you just concentrate on that

[00:45:00] person that night and say you know I want to see you I want you to take me on a toward the other side I want to see

[00:45:06] how it's going let's connect and it will happen if you

[00:45:11] you know you might take a couple of meditations but often it'll happen on the first night if you're really into it

[00:45:18] well I know a lot of people who have medical problems take off to Bangkok in

[00:45:23] Thailand get them taken care of come home with extra money that's one kind of

[00:45:28] travel for your health and you're talking about an entirely different one which is just so much harder for me I

[00:45:36] can never get past that buzz just never get past al this is of course midnight

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[00:46:46] they won't get too far

[00:46:51] so if your love and we done

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[00:47:07] let the speed of light in the darkness this is midnight in the desert with art

[00:47:12] bell now here's art Here I am trust in Dennett is my guest I'm so glad to have

[00:47:18] them or discussing out-of-body experiences Oh bees there I interviewed

[00:47:26] over the years many many people about this topic and the Preston with some

[00:47:33] exceptions is telling me exactly what they've told me I believe that this is

[00:47:38] the real thing you really can do it folks I know it's scary and I'm trying

[00:47:44] to talk you into something that I'm scared to death of myself so that's probably uncool but it really is the

[00:47:53] real thing you just have to be able to get past this buzzing get past this

[00:48:00] perhaps being paralyzed a little bit and somehow launch yourself and I guess it's

[00:48:06] like Preston like a learning experience once you've been out second time is easier third time easier that kind of

[00:48:13] thing yeah that's true though there are still times you know I'll be like lying

[00:48:18] down I'll just go to bed and suddenly I'm feel the vibrations I'm like whoa I'm still awake I do understand let's

[00:48:31] just one last time go back to the dangers which there are no dangers except for that outlier which is

[00:48:38] worrying me a little so generally any

[00:48:43] strong emotion any fear fears a strong emotion any I don't know anything will

[00:48:50] yank you back into your body and you will be awake awake immediately is that correct right and you know that again

[00:48:57] the problem is staying out you know it's not that there aren't any dangerous you can pop out and like up there's hostile

[00:49:03] ghosts oh now see now what did you tell me that ghosts okay well you know you

[00:49:14] know a couple of times but uh I just ran back to my body basically and that happens automatically obstruct

[00:49:20] oh no I'm going back you know yeah it was scary definitely was describe that

[00:49:27] one if you would please hostile ghosts are you pop well I'm sorry I need to get

[00:49:34] aurilla I've got so many questions in my brain and and one is this it seems to me that the the time this occurs is in that

[00:49:42] I don't know weird little time between consciousness and sleep there's this

[00:49:49] little weird gray area right well that's the doorway to the you know getting out

[00:49:55] of body during this sort of yeah hypnagogic state right which is where

[00:50:00] the magic is you know that's where it happens the crack between the worlds so boy it's such a weird time isn't it

[00:50:06] between when you're awakened when you're asleep and I can tell when it's coming because I start having weird thoughts

[00:50:12] really just off-the-wall weird thoughts about weird things and then and then I'm

[00:50:18] asleep right I've tracked it very carefully something your reasoning goes right out the window

[00:50:23] oh yeah and you're just imagining things when you're thinking they're real and you're and it becomes very kind of

[00:50:29] almost chaotic so there's no dangers except of course dying because you

[00:50:35] didn't get snapback and or manifesting before hostile ghosts right well there

[00:50:43] was time I would say I popped out of body I'm like all right I'm gonna go and I'm gonna be totally honest with you

[00:50:48] we're not usually when I go to the other side it sort of happens automatically well I do it by just flying real fast

[00:50:54] and saying this is where I want to go right and you pop out in these beautiful heavenly realms more sometimes farther

[00:51:01] worth's even more amazing but sometimes you know you are kind of in-between and

[00:51:06] there's what you call a darker place yeah sort of a blackness or the lower realms and I've visited these as well to

[00:51:14] a certain extent have you ever have you ever intentionally gone to those darker place

[00:51:20] yeah and it was not nice you know people were pushing and shoving and they you try and pull them out of this place and

[00:51:27] they can't hear you and it's very uncomfortable to say the least but once

[00:51:35] I was flying out you know I'm knocked out some weird little creature grabbed my ankle oh well this does not feel

[00:51:40] human you know let me tell you something you have just scared away 70% 80% of the

[00:51:48] people who were in your camp ready to try it women don't like to think about hostile

[00:51:54] things grabbing their ankles they don't like it at all I can tell you I know how it sounds and it did creeping out a

[00:52:01] little bit I reached down and I felt its little fingers oh and I killed them off

[00:52:08] but so in other words you can even though you can't move objects out of body you can move other no dare I say it

[00:52:17] other out-of-body entities yes it feels real in fact well there's not an

[00:52:23] experience on earth that you can't duplicate and it feels it's not real even more real so yeah you can interact

[00:52:31] with it's not the physical environment an environment that's exactly like it and I mean really Preston what what is

[00:52:38] one of the scariest things you ever see in a movie it's some lady standing there

[00:52:43] with this evil probably detached hand headed toward her ankle it and everybody

[00:52:50] screams so that's a rough one to get past yeah well you know there I'm

[00:52:58] telling you the benefits of this are so much better yeah but as a travel agent you might as well pulled your shingle

[00:53:05] off your door talking about ankles oh yeah yeah okay all right there was three

[00:53:19] men there who were clearly hostile and wanted to hurt me not the three wise men

[00:53:24] no these were not wise men these were murderers these were thieves these were

[00:53:30] an worse I mean lovely or vile lovely lovely I'm like all right you know I'm

[00:53:37] leaving probably all three of them products of having died violently and

[00:53:42] cut that was an interesting story wasn't it of all places in peace fund it certainly

[00:53:49] touched a nerve you know because there's as I said a lot of ghost problems out there in fact as a person does this

[00:53:55] astral travel at some point you're gonna be called on to save a lost soul okay

[00:54:00] that hasn't happened to me and I so I did it I did it intentionally and yeah

[00:54:06] it was amazing I found this lost I was taken actually to this girl but

[00:54:12] apparently suffocated under her house I had the impression that she was murdered

[00:54:18] but I couldn't say how or but she was scared I'm just terrified and I'm like

[00:54:25] you know it's okay it's okay come with me and she wouldn't I'm like you know your mommy wants to see you right now so

[00:54:30] that's sort of you know got her she she's like yeah really and I'm like yeah you know let's I'll take you to your

[00:54:36] mommy and I'm just you know winging it cuz I didn't know what to say she was the poor little girl I felt

[00:54:41] terrible that's what every bad guy going after a poor little girl says I'm gonna take you to your mommy

[00:54:46] yeah well somehow I was able to convince her and the poor thing she took my hand I could feel it and I've read a lot

[00:54:53] about this that is Wow at some point they disappear and you want to pay very close attention so I had her hand and I

[00:54:59] was looking at her she's just a little girl with blond hair you know a little sundress yeah little girl you know and

[00:55:06] I'm like let's go see your mommy and I flew off to what I would call the heavenly realms and boom you know no

[00:55:12] sooner and what I was I kind of right through that barrier and into this pastoral place where she was gone I've

[00:55:18] seen you you had me during the first hour you had me cold I was ready to try

[00:55:24] it again and now you've lost me lost oral place where she was gone I've seen you you had

[00:55:30] me during the first hour you had me cold I was ready to try it again and now

[00:55:36] you've lost me what do you think welcome

[00:55:43] back to Oh bees in a second what do you think causes people to become stuck here

[00:55:50] ghosts I think there's a huge number of reasons

[00:55:55] and the number one being they're skeptical of life after death to such a point that they don't even consider the

[00:56:01] possibility that they're dead that's a huge problem that the dead just don't

[00:56:07] know they're dead they don't know it they honestly do not you know it seems hard for me to believe but this is a

[00:56:14] real problem and as well you know there's that whole category of people who are addicted to whether it's alcohol

[00:56:20] drugs or sex or you know even their home right um they don't want to leave their

[00:56:25] house because they love it they know they're dead and they don't care another reason is guilt if people feel

[00:56:31] so guilty if they're afraid that they're gonna be judged by God if they go to the other side well I have heard that that

[00:56:38] people do get attached to houses that ghosts get attached to houses and I'll

[00:56:44] be honest I'm attached to my house yeah I love my little house I mean it is part

[00:56:51] of a human's comfort level right in life your house is your castle whatever you

[00:56:56] want to call it your comfort place but here's the thing art you have one on the other side you can create one is what

[00:57:03] I'm saying um and it's awesome because you can build things any way you want just your

[00:57:09] thought power you know once you get good at this and you go up what I would say you know to the next dimension beyond or

[00:57:16] a dimensions beyond the pastoral realms which is you know it gets really crazy I

[00:57:23] hope in the higher realms because you can do all these things that are like superhuman you know I I wanted to talk

[00:57:30] to you about this tonight because well because I wanted to talk about it but I had no idea that you were this into it

[00:57:37] this experienced with it how long have you been doing this president did you begin young or what I began pretty young

[00:57:44] actually you know and this is not my favorite subject by the way I love this stuff it is transforming my life to such

[00:57:51] a degree that I yeah I can hear it in your voice you know it's so much fun so

[00:57:58] though you were doing this well my mom died in 1984 I was 19 years old and so

[00:58:06] it was a real shock I think our family was very sick up call this kind of thing I know they were I'm certainly I was I'm didn't believe

[00:58:13] in ghosts or life after death or anything paranormal and so this was a really difficult thing to deal with

[00:58:20] obviously sure um I saw her ghost thinking all right you know I'm really

[00:58:25] flipped my lid I'm not gonna tell anyone this I'll tell you that um right like I

[00:58:32] I get that - if you were to describe all this I think in everyday life I mean you

[00:58:37] and I are on a program right now that talks about this kind of thing but you

[00:58:42] know if this was unraveling to a stranger in a bar it'd be a problem

[00:58:47] right probably not work out real well for you know I wasn't happy about it but

[00:58:52] I know I start having dreams about her um that were very powerful and I just had I was convinced she was visiting me

[00:58:59] even my knew was impossible so it's very confusing I picked up some books on dreams which led to lucid dreaming okay

[00:59:06] you see that but that causes me to ask a very important question how do you know

[00:59:13] Preston that these are not just either really good or in some cases really bad

[00:59:19] dreams well there's two ways the first way is when you pop out and you turn and

[00:59:25] you look at your body you know you can feel it it's a kind of revelatory

[00:59:32] experience I guess you might say but I'll agree with that if you look at your own body if you pop out and you look at

[00:59:38] your own body that's big no question about it that doesn't seem like a dream

[00:59:43] I don't think I've ever seen my own body in a dream I know I haven't it looks

[00:59:49] really weird when you do it I have to tell you and you know and it's very

[00:59:55] convincing absolutely you know unlike I mean it's very you're awake that's I

[01:00:02] guess what I'm trying to say it's you know how when you know you're awake you know you're awake yeah sure um it's like

[01:00:08] that so you're like alright there's no doubt yeah yeah actually you are very convincing it's it's the tone of your

[01:00:15] voice and enthusiasm in your voice you just know

[01:00:21] what he's saying is the real thing right [Music] midnight in a desert raging in the

[01:00:28] nighttime art bell I hear the gun to go me tonight cheers

[01:00:38] only whispers of some quiet conversation

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[01:02:14] imagine this for a moment you pop out of your body you pop out on the other side

[01:02:21] and there's the screaming lady and a hundred of fur clones who initiate a dialogue sequence with our tell please

[01:02:28] coordinate your phalanges and call one nine five two two two five fifty to seventy eight that's one nine five two

[01:02:34] we'll call our hahaha the screaming lady all right Trustin Dennett is my guest and we're

[01:02:41] talking about a lot of things we're talking about Oh bees mainly and they

[01:02:47] are amazing absolutely amazing and I'm sure that all of you can also hear it in his voice

[01:02:52] this is real if you've got the guts and if you do after hearing all of thee well

[01:02:59] call it the downside or the possible dangers that actually you know as a point here in the in the interview well

[01:03:09] it does say what are the dangers you you did say there there are no dangers

[01:03:14] earlier right all right you know there well depends what your definition of danger is I don't think there's any

[01:03:20] danger of death or you know like certain things getting that people really fear well okay let's try and define danger a

[01:03:29] danger might be hand grabbing ankle definitely danger might be three

[01:03:36] murderers staring at you as you pop out definite danger a hand grabbing ankle

[01:03:44] definitely danger might be three murderers staring at you as you pop out

[01:03:51] definite danger danger might be the line breaks and you can't get back to your

[01:03:57] body as in somebody died in their sleep I mean I can't get past that one Preston

[01:04:03] a lot of people die in their sleep and how is it that we can know that there are not victims of a snapped cord

[01:04:11] well we can't all I can tell you is that

[01:04:17] the evidence of people who are doing this regularly are showing a lot of benefits and the dangers of you know

[01:04:25] getting possessed or getting locked out or all of this is way overblown I'm not

[01:04:30] seeing it well you know I will give you this it seems to me that that that most

[01:04:39] people have a positive experience I just always meditated on that people

[01:04:45] do die in their sleep and no the court never synapse well not for those who live excuse me

[01:04:52] so mostly it's it's a good deal folks give it a try and so now describe if you

[01:04:58] would Preston how it actually is done when you get to that magic little place and you feel yourself slipping towards

[01:05:06] sleep and instead of sleeping you want to leave your body what's the key right well the way to

[01:05:14] slip to that magical place is you relax to the point where you start to feel one of several sensations well this could be

[01:05:21] numbness this could be lightness or even a feeling of heaviness you want to get

[01:05:27] to that place where you're not you don't even know where the your arms and legs are you're lying there in bed like hmm

[01:05:33] where are my arms and legs you want to get really relaxed I mean profoundly relaxed sometimes takes me

[01:05:40] you know 20 minutes and you if you start feeling this by vibration this is

[01:05:46] excellent news and yes it can get very loud in fact you can hear all kinds of

[01:05:52] noises even you're swearing and growling and furniture moving engine noises

[01:05:58] people's voices you you you're hearing all this in this middle period this is

[01:06:05] this can happen it doesn't happen to most people normally they just feel a vibration yeah you know hear noise you

[01:06:14] know and then you pop out and it's very

[01:06:19] disorienting because you have not done this before and it's difficult to see see that's why

[01:06:25] I think a lot of people pop out and then pop back in immediately because they

[01:06:31] have the you know what scared out of them that's what I did yeah I'm like alright this is gonna be fun I'm gonna do the exercises and I did the exercises

[01:06:37] I started to have like lucid dreams we day I pop down I'm like oh this is not

[01:06:43] good news I've just died what have I done a lot of people think that this is

[01:06:48] right and I looked at my bottom like well this is awful I'm like oh this is

[01:06:54] not good news I've just died what have I done a lot of people think that this is

[01:06:59] right and I looked at my bottom like well this is awful you know I feel really bad and I dive back into it and I

[01:07:05] woke up instantly and I thought oh my god you know I just did it and I was super excited without danger without

[01:07:13] apparent danger in that so you've done this so many times that you've had these

[01:07:20] occasional very occasional what would you say 1% negative um yeah that sounds

[01:07:26] about right maybe even a little less there's one time I did come up to this giant wall

[01:07:32] and I couldn't break through it and finally I was able to break through it hmm so that was a little disconcerting

[01:07:39] but I just broke through it yeah you're supposed to be able to go through anything sort of yeah this is a barrier

[01:07:45] between the dimensions Wow all right and you also say or you pose a question

[01:07:52] about the deceased you're suggesting that you can visit with those who have

[01:07:58] passed right that says so much I mean if you can do that then my goodness Preston

[01:08:05] you really are in the place where the light is in the place where you'll

[01:08:10] ultimately go otherwise how can you see those who have passed or I have to tell

[01:08:18] you the first time I find I went doing this because I wanted to see my mother you know the first time I actually went

[01:08:24] awake and did this in sorrow was the most amazing reunion I have ever had with anybody um you know now I've done

[01:08:31] this several times you know I known a number of people have died and they've all pretty much every time I'll go and visit them Wow but a

[01:08:38] boy with her so we met you met your mom oh man I was on my knees she was so

[01:08:45] young she looks so young I couldn't believe it you know I've lost most of my hair but it all came flowing back I have

[01:08:53] full hair back there my wrinkles disappear on the other side oh yeah it's great sounds good right away get your hair

[01:09:00] back it's amazing my mom looks amazing I'm my mom and you know them just the

[01:09:06] reunion was unbelievable so you recognized her his mom even though she was younger and oh yeah I

[01:09:12] Brent Wow in fact when you're out of body sometimes there's these things called projections you're making these

[01:09:19] things around you your thoughts and you're like this is even a real person okay a little bit careful there is a

[01:09:25] very good point do you think Preston it's possible that the living

[01:09:32] human mind is creating these do you

[01:09:40] think Preston it's possible that the living human mind is creating these what's

[01:09:51] right word for it Star Trek had a word for it I think materializations are

[01:09:59] these worlds I mean that you're I guess the question is is it possible it's just

[01:10:04] your own human mind in some sort of mode it's created the hologram um well to a

[01:10:14] certain extent yes because the universe is composed of our thoughts and that's

[01:10:19] what it comes down to I mean the world is actually a projection right you have thoughts of your mom right when she was

[01:10:25] young you read or not um oh yeah yeah

[01:10:30] absolutely um the proof that this isn't coming from a living mind though I think it's pretty

[01:10:37] extensive we have a lot of people visiting these locations on the other side and they're describing the same

[01:10:42] type of thing the people are getting information that they couldn't have gotten any other way you know about the

[01:10:49] deceased and things like this someone okay that's an interesting question whether it's in proof in other words how

[01:10:57] many times have somebody gone to the other side and come back with you know some piece of information that amounts

[01:11:05] to proof because it could not have been known in any other way yeah happened to me

[01:11:11] couldn't believe it I popped out and I'm on the other side walking around I'm like this is the bright place where I

[01:11:16] usually go and in order to meet people who've died it's very bright and there was this my friend Rex I'm like Rex you

[01:11:24] know what in God's name are you doing here he was alive you know I'm like what you know he's looking great

[01:11:29] normally in pretty bad health um hunched over has stomach problems yeah by no

[01:11:36] means you know super severe to the point of death or anything like this and you're saying he it was at that time

[01:11:42] still among the living well I came back to my body I'm like oh my gosh you know

[01:11:48] do I'd call him you know I should call him right he was actually my father's friend I don't know him that well

[01:11:53] right I'm like well you know I don't really know him well he called or his family called us

[01:11:59] he had had a stroke and he was non-responsive he wasn't you know in a coma there for a while he eventually

[01:12:05] didn't cover Wow but uh Wow he looked great there on the other side I have to

[01:12:11] tell you how soon after you came back did he have that stroke um well he was

[01:12:18] I'd already had the stroke already yeah but I did not know it so he was short of

[01:12:24] a little bit hearing a little bit there in a way um I think that's what it was absolutely yeah you know I thought it

[01:12:31] was the place where I always see these people you know we've passed on usually I had a friend who died of alcoholism in

[01:12:39] our very close friend by the way um it was tragic and I'm like well you know this I don't know how this is gonna go

[01:12:47] but I'm gonna try and about you know a couple of weeks after he died I gave him a little bit of time I popped out kind

[01:12:55] of happened naturally um and I found myself in this very dark

[01:13:00] place one of the much lower realms and he was not a happy man he did not look

[01:13:05] well and has told me I'm not ready he kept saying I'm not ready could not do

[01:13:12] anything for him so that was terrible I came back not feeling well you know Mike

[01:13:18] oh no you know I can't tell anyone this is family or anyone you should have said it

[01:13:23] something to him about the clinic on the other side right well you know I prayed for him is what I did and I went back

[01:13:31] you know and I sent him I guess what you called love energy okay all of these

[01:13:36] experiences you've had on the other side Preston was there ever a sign of what

[01:13:42] you know we all think of as God or a God um oh yeah oh yeah but I think the

[01:13:50] higher you go it starts to permeate the atmosphere it starts to glow and sparkle

[01:13:56] in a way that you're like alright there's this is like this source and I

[01:14:03] went to the light I'm like alright I want to try the light I did that I bask dude I'm like wow this is lovely you

[01:14:08] know I look but it was kind of like a sauna you know it's like beautiful lots of love you know it was great but uh I

[01:14:18] didn't stay there right ah if you did I doubt I'd be interviewing you right now a Preston

[01:14:25] demet is my guest this of course is midnight in the desert I Marbella stay

[01:14:32] right where you are [Music]

[01:15:01] for Dark Matter news I'm Lila last round debris found in the western Indian Ocean

[01:15:06] on Wednesday appears to be part of a Boeing 777 the same model as Malaysia

[01:15:11] Airlines flight 370 that disappeared in 2014 a source close to the investigation says there is a unique element to the

[01:15:18] Boeing 777 swing flap component that Boeing observers will be making resemblance to Michael Jackson she says

[01:15:25] it certainly is very spooky the image is so clear sometimes you can see these things in photos it's an image of

[01:15:32] something but you're almost willing it to be something else but you look at it and it's clearly a

[01:15:37] face and it does look like Michael Jackson a physicist is building a time machine to reconnect with his dead

[01:15:43] father his scientific papers were published years ago filled with equations wrought by the energies of a

[01:15:49] younger man but at 69 theoretical physicist Ronald Mallett still goes to work every day to build a time machine

[01:15:56] Boyd mallet died when Ron was 10 he vowed as a boy to sail back through time

[01:16:01] in a device to warn the older Mallett of the heart attack that would take his life on the night of his 11th wedding

[01:16:07] anniversary a University of Connecticut research professor who for years taught in the classroom

[01:16:12] Mallett immersed himself in the mysteries of time and space crafting equations derived from the work

[01:16:17] of Albert Einstein this year is a milestone for both his heroes the 100th anniversary of Einstein's general theory

[01:16:24] of relativity that made time travel a serious topic among today's theoreticians and the 60th anniversary

[01:16:31] of his father's death the number of lectures and Mawlid gives has doubled because of the Einstein anniversary

[01:16:36] their current model is a series of stacked ring lasers each glowing green ring circulating at its level around a

[01:16:43] glass tube the whole stack theoretically twisting the space inside the equation near the beginning of the story was

[01:16:49] published in 2000 and the first of Mallett's to breakthrough scientific papers it begins with the Greek letter

[01:16:54] Omega and describes how a neutron can be moved or dragged because the space it occupies is being twisted by laser light

[01:17:01] Einstein connected space and time if space can be twisted so can time twisted

[01:17:06] and bent back onto itself to form loops no longer linear time comes a circular highway that can be

[01:17:13] traveled in both directions to the past and future he says think of a cup of coffee the coffee represents empty space

[01:17:20] the spoon is the Lazer's during that space drop a coffee bean a neutron into

[01:17:26] the cup and it swirls and swirls in the coffee vortex pulled around by a process known to scientists as frame dragon

[01:17:33] enough intense swirling space twists and time twists and loops back onto itself will mallet finally succeed in this

[01:17:40] lifelong dream of building a time machine only time will tell I'm Leo Ashcraft for dark matter news

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[01:17:55] the noise of thunder one of the four beasts saying come and see

[01:18:00] and I saw and behold a white horse

[01:18:09] [Music]

[01:18:15] there's a man going round taking names and he decides who to free and who to

[01:18:23] blame everybody won't be treated all the

[01:18:28] same there'll be of gold and letter preaching down

[01:18:35] [Music] comes around

[01:18:42] the hairs on your arm will stand up at

[01:18:48] the terror in each sip and in each sub so you partake of that last offer cup

[01:18:57] part disappear into the Potter's ground [Music]

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[01:21:10] 8 all that said Preston are you there I'm here ok you can imagine a lot of

[01:21:17] people have questions about this kind of thing so Oh we're gonna go to some of them if

[01:21:23] it's okay with you oh yeah bring them on Oh trust me they'll come and hello

[01:21:30] they're on skype you're on the air and oh and this is a dino well do you know

[01:21:38] it says and they're a and any what am I supposed to do I know it must be my wife's name

[01:21:46] how you doing art just fine just fine yeah hey I'm calling from the Facebook

[01:21:53] group talking midnight in the desert with our bail really okay yeah

[01:21:59] interesting guests you got going here oh yeah yeah yes amazing topic and it's

[01:22:04] it's real I've interviewed so many people about this and they sort of say

[01:22:09] the same thing now Preston gave me more of the you know the possible negative side than others have other than that

[01:22:16] though you know the process how it's done all that seems the same so yeah I

[01:22:21] mean I've tried many years to get to that point still can't get there I don't

[01:22:27] know if he has any like you know any help for us who can't get to that point

[01:22:33] point right cuz that I've been trying I've been trying can't get there though Preston right well you know there are

[01:22:40] different ways to approach it you can approach this during the day there is a simple exercise you can do that has a

[01:22:47] really powerful effect that's to ask yourself if you are out-of-body right now and I know how it sounds cuz you

[01:22:54] know you're not but if you do this you know as much as you possibly can but at least a couple of times a day preferably

[01:23:00] you know every hour um you will do this at night and you'll have the most profound experience because suddenly

[01:23:06] you're gonna ask yourself this question and you're gonna find out that you are in fact out-of-body but you have to do

[01:23:12] what's called reality testing and to do reality testing well there's various ways you know to find out if your

[01:23:18] out-of-body or not you can try throwing something if it levitates your out-of-body you can try pushing your

[01:23:26] finger through your desk or a wall that could be painful if you know fail

[01:23:32] just lightly press and it'll be astounding you'll be at work there typing or whatever you do keep for

[01:23:37] example right now how every whenever you

[01:23:46] think of it you know a couple of times a day and you'll do this at night and your fingers gonna go through that desk and you're gonna be like oh my god I'm out

[01:23:53] of body I would be ready out of body right so during the day and enlightened me I I get the between consciousness and

[01:24:01] sleep part but during the day how do you do this well this is something you want to do all day long you know when you

[01:24:07] wake up no you know in the breath during breakfast at work when you come home ask yourself am I dreaming right now could

[01:24:15] this possibly be a dream could I be out-of-body and you look around if you

[01:24:20] see any anomalies this is a what's called a queue and pretty much every dream will have one something that's not

[01:24:27] quite matching up with reality alright you know it yeah I will try this

[01:24:34] out I hope I don't hurt my finger but I love the show art love the show love

[01:24:40] that you're back and you know giving you a shout out there love you I love being here thank you very much and we've got

[01:24:46] an international caller I believe on the line hello hello there are you there

[01:24:54] going once come on I know you're there Brendan

[01:25:01] Brandon is that right Brandon are you there no I guess Brandon's on to say

[01:25:07] anything okay no problem we can we can move on and we've got a million calls

[01:25:13] here so not sure where to go let's go to the phones and say hello there you are

[01:25:19] on midnight yes yeah this is Gary on

[01:25:27] Phoenix and so Roswell over there thank you for Ian yeah this

[01:25:34] is this is one of my favorite subjects I was back and I've had like four

[01:25:42] out-of-body experiences the first one was back in 1990 97 and I was having that sleep paralysis

[01:25:52] thing with the vibration and I was always be terrified it had been periodically throughout my life and then

[01:25:58] and then I actually heard your program and I forget who you had on there but he

[01:26:05] was saying about directing your energy yes away from your body yes yes yeah and

[01:26:12] so I did it and wasn't very successful but I ended up right right by the

[01:26:19] doorknob it was like I was trying to go out the front door but I was hovering right out right

[01:26:24] right put the doorknob and then another time I got freaked out I got out of my

[01:26:30] body and I went down to the ground and so I looking up and I could see my hand

[01:26:37] about the edge of my bed and it freaked me out I just popped back in my body but right see anything that freaks you out I

[01:26:44] guess brings you back a recording compression right yeah right that's

[01:26:52] absolutely what happens yeah there's all different kinds of ways of getting out of your body the best way is to do a

[01:26:58] visualizations of some kind and by usually something involving movement like being on a swing set maybe or the

[01:27:05] bow of a boat going up and down or pretending that you're running down a pathway there's various things like this

[01:27:13] spinning in a circle all of these will spin you right out of your body it's a very easy way to do it okay

[01:27:20] those are actually pretty good tips I appreciate it thank you very much and here is Triana I think you never know

[01:27:28] whose name is on the Skype it'd be somebody else but says Triana hello

[01:27:35] Trina okay you're really loud Trina so just back away a little bit okay

[01:27:42] it is so much better yes great Roswell's thank you I just wanted to call in and

[01:27:49] make a comment I got a little bit spooked a few minutes ago your guest was

[01:27:55] talking about you something reaching out and I knew it

[01:28:02] I knew it I knew that yeah I'm beginning to wonder if your guest was there in my

[01:28:09] experience because I experienced that exact same thing Oh Preston did you grab

[01:28:15] her ankle I was in a room where there

[01:28:24] were lots of like little baby gray hands hmm

[01:28:30] covered the room the entire room was covered with these little hands but one

[01:28:35] huge gray hand came out from the middle and grabbed my leg but I was paralyzed

[01:28:42] you know so I I couldn't get away from it and it was the scariest thing I have

[01:28:48] ever experienced in my life the parent did it snap you back to your body it did

[01:28:54] it did I did wake it but I could still feel the hand on my leg well that was

[01:29:04] Preston something like that could scare you so much that you would never ever

[01:29:11] try it again yes yeah that's true I think but if you read the books about it

[01:29:18] you'll see that there's some amazing things that this can do for you and there are ways to protect yourself you

[01:29:24] can do white light meditations and as you get good at this this sort of thing

[01:29:29] is not a problem at all automatically pop out enjoy Harry high realms gray hands giant grey hands they're a problem

[01:29:35] for me and obviously for Deanna you're

[01:29:41] gonna try it again honey or are you finished no no well I see actually I

[01:29:46] didn't try it the first time it just happened to me oh I just went to that that weird place and it was like I don't

[01:29:57] know it wasn't a dream it was that state that you talk about where you're in between right being

[01:30:03] asleep and being awake I wasn't trying to do it it just happened but I would

[01:30:09] certainly never try it now all that that has happened to me so even if even that's all the encouraging

[01:30:16] things the the very encouraging things that Preston has said about this it's a

[01:30:22] big no-no if I were to have a positive

[01:30:29] experience without trying it then I may go forward with trying it more often in

[01:30:37] the future but after this I would never just go you know just go for it and try

[01:30:43] it I said yeah I would love to have the experiences that some of these other people have had where you go and you see

[01:30:51] friends and family and left ones but after this I just don't know if I could

[01:30:57] go there okay I so get it you know thank you very very much thank you so much for taking my call

[01:31:05] you're back do it again call again thank you so Preston there you go she got scared

[01:31:11] so profoundly yeah well you know the thing is this is something that I would

[01:31:17] encourage everyone to do because sooner or later we are going to die and it's like users like I god yeah but this is

[01:31:25] like practice it absolutely is you you

[01:31:30] can grow spiritually leaps and bounds by doing this kind of stuff not to mention the clinic and here's another thing that

[01:31:36] we haven't even talked about this wakens up your psychic abilities so profoundly that I mean I was coming home with

[01:31:43] dreams that were coming true on the pretty much daily basis and translated into waking clairvoyance and I've had so

[01:31:51] many you know really profound psychic experiences as a result doing this well

[01:31:58] okay I mean those are encouraging words here's somebody called trisomy 21 are

[01:32:05] you there right there you know I I get to see your picture you know yeah it's

[01:32:14] two fingers up in the air both yeah both is trying to send me a message there I

[01:32:21] was almost didn't answer you because of that I'm sorry yeah that's that's an old

[01:32:26] picture you might want to modify that I mean not a lot of people would answer that but you know I know

[01:32:31] well yeah I go on screen so what the heck yeah sorry about that

[01:32:36] so anyway go ahead oh yeah yeah I've had the something happened it was when I was

[01:32:41] younger actually fell off the cliff and landed on my back and I couldn't stand up I can move it was like paralyzed Wow

[01:32:49] and it seemed like an out-of-body kind of experience it was really surreal means we were quite odd do you think you

[01:32:57] were conscious the whole time or not I don't know it was just really bizarre

[01:33:04] don't know how to explain it never felt anything like that in my life before though and I couldn't move and then all

[01:33:10] sudden I after after that I got up and I could walk again I'm like I thought I was paralyzed though how far did you

[01:33:17] fall about 15 feet oh my god yeah yeah you should have been out cold for sure

[01:33:23] and maybe you were who knows where I landed right on the rock on my spine may

[01:33:28] I yeah yeah okay so maybe you went to

[01:33:35] the clinic I didn't go anywhere well I know I know but I mean that you

[01:33:41] were okay you said you got up and could walk yeah I don't know what happened like how that happened I thought I was

[01:33:46] paralyzed usually you fall 15 feet onto a rock mm-hmm no walkie no walkie you

[01:33:55] know what right so what's interesting about that is that's getting the wind knocked out of you to the point where

[01:34:00] it's actually knocking you right out of your body partially and this is actually pretty commonly reported in Falls really

[01:34:07] people will find themselves standing next to their body for a brief second and then slip back in or feel kind of

[01:34:14] dissociated on and they they might see glows and we it just or just have

[01:34:20] difficulty just like you're describing actually exactly what's different you

[01:34:25] see any kind of light or darkness or and uh things seemed kind of lighter it

[01:34:31] was a long time ago but uh yeah still amazing yeah I just can't even really

[01:34:37] describe it alright well close enough 15 feet onto a rock Mike gone yeah change

[01:34:43] the picture trust me Oh one lucky yeah I can walk right

[01:34:48] like I said change the picture yes I will please do something nice yes that'd

[01:34:58] be nice most people believe me would not have answered that movie here's let's go to

[01:35:07] the phone so many people Spokane Washington you're on the air good

[01:35:12] evening Rustin was listening I okay sir

[01:35:28] I've been and then all of a sudden hit this wall it always seemed like you mean

[01:35:40] okay we don't have a great connection you're saying you hit a wall literally literally this house I'd always floated

[01:35:48] this house when there was trouble when I was protecting myself to access my

[01:35:54] weight in my body and I would always end up calling through this or that way and

[01:35:59] I would open doors and go through though I opened the door and it's bricked up

[01:36:05] and I have never been 18 cents yeah well you know Preston says that you can go through walls right yeah well this is a

[01:36:13] I was literally like bang done out back [Music]

[01:36:21] so you're done with it huh okay well

[01:36:27] maybe it's well that you can't because you can't go through walls any any advice on going through walls president

[01:36:34] yeah well I know what he's saying you know I've actually reached this at a point I wasn't it was unable to do it

[01:36:40] for a year I'm like well this is the ability gone for me because there's a couple of cases out there were people did it for a while and then boom

[01:36:47] they couldn't do it and they had like one last visitation or with the spirit who said you know you're done because

[01:36:53] you've learned all you need to learn or you're not at that level or various messages like oh he needs to try the

[01:36:59] wall again yeah I think that if you continue to do various exercises read

[01:37:04] the literature try the different ways of doing it um it will come back to you Allison caller are you still there

[01:37:12] yes good ok we'll try it so can you try the wall again and let us know walk

[01:37:19] don't run as a that's that'd be the only advice I could give walk don't run it's

[01:37:24] gonna hurt if you but on the other hand maybe that would show your determination

[01:37:29] you just go way back and take a big run at the wall yeah I've done it I bounced

[01:37:36] right off oh I sure felt it god if those are the

[01:37:43] travel agency you'd be so broke and I'm

[01:37:48] standing on the rail and you know I wonder if I'm actually a lot of body oh my god you know if I follow this is

[01:37:54] gonna be Terrell makhno I'm max ladder but I know I must be because I wouldn't be until let me guess you jumped and so

[01:38:00] I jumped and I fell all the way down three stories and live live to be on a

[01:38:06] radio program and tell about it right all right ah this is midnight in the desert on

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[01:39:43] midnight matters are best handled by those that understand how to move in the darkness like art bell to call the show

[01:39:50] please dial one nine by to call art that's one nine five two two two five fifty two is 78 you know I I really wish

[01:39:58] that was true that I know I knew how I know how to move in the darkness I know how to do

[01:40:04] talk radio in the darkness but when it comes to astral travel or out-of-body

[01:40:10] experiences not so much I've had one that just was wonderful and scared me

[01:40:16] really seriously on the other side and none since and I think it's the fear I

[01:40:22] do believe that it's the fear and Preston may have helped you tonight but

[01:40:29] on the other hand he may not have some scary stuff actually

[01:40:34] Preston you're back and I think somebody's with you on the international line named Luke Luke are you there

[01:40:41] that's right I am actually yeah good I'm glad you're there Luke where are you by the way I'm from Australia I'm actually

[01:40:49] 100 caves away from Melvin and Joe Long John Underhill I've been listening to you for many

[01:40:55] years now and this is actually the first time I've been able to listen to you live and it's just incredible so what

[01:41:01] the heck I'll I'll try and see if I can call up and yes live that's right it's

[01:41:06] live worldwide and it's just that Australia Japan

[01:41:11] you know the Southeast Asian areas are all sort of at a good time for the show and a lot of people I think don't

[01:41:18] realize it is live but it is right now John's fantastic um would I be able to shout out my father he's turning 70

[01:41:27] today so I'm taking out a little bit later tonight that well that's really a big birthday I know I just had one yeah

[01:41:35] I wanted to call but I don't know that I have a similar sort of experience as the

[01:41:42] other listeners maybe maybe yeah but maybe you've got a question about it Oh

[01:41:47] sort of I had an experience it was more like going into myself I was

[01:41:55] sort of winding down one one night I was quite relaxed I had a hard day at work and I just found myself sort of relaxing

[01:42:04] more so and sort of found myself in this

[01:42:10] dark space it was almost like I changed some sort of consciousness and actually

[01:42:15] saw myself sort of out-of-body as a young chunk and I was working through a

[01:42:22] lot of things at the time I had a lot of things so you wait on it let me get it straight you were you exited your body

[01:42:29] and you were your young self yeah it was it was just so bizarre was some like I

[01:42:37] was young again I was seeing myself as a 10 year old I know I'm 26 now this

[01:42:43] probably happened maybe eight or nine months ago but it was it was so bizarre and I actually felt young again I sort

[01:42:50] of thought my mind slowed down to how it had when I was you know that age I was

[01:42:56] thinking about things that I hadn't thought about for many many years Wow it's just insane wild that's pretty wild

[01:43:05] I mean to actually feel young and to understand that feeling is pretty amazing Preston yeah I know exactly what

[01:43:13] you're talking about Luke what's really interesting is when you go out of body time collapses to a certain extent in

[01:43:19] fact the farther you go you can you can effectively travel in time and sometimes when you pop out of body you go to the

[01:43:25] past you can go to your you know your childhood or connect with that or even the future for that matter um so yeah I

[01:43:34] I get what you're talking about I think it's so cool I mean just to feel that young again to remember what it it felt

[01:43:41] like that'd be awesome yeah it was it was fantastic I mean I suppose that was something I've been

[01:43:47] sort of processing I guess a little bit as well and maybe subconsciously it came

[01:43:53] on I'm not really sure it was this just really bizarre I've had a few other times when I've sort of felt myself

[01:44:01] going back into that sort of place but the the age difference wasn't there but

[01:44:07] it always seems like I'm doing myself not travelling out elsewhere

[01:44:13] unfortunately didn't catch the first half of the program but it sort of sounded like you were talking a lot

[01:44:19] about almost like astral travel yes trust me on this it's worth joining

[01:44:25] becoming a time traveler and downloading it it's really a fascinating program all the way around and what you just said is

[01:44:32] fascinating too and especially calling all the way from Australia thank you so much noise thank you so much all right

[01:44:39] take care that's really neat I mean can can you remember what you felt like at 10:00 um

[01:44:47] well not as well as I would like but you can connect with them through the out-of-body thing for sure yeah to have

[01:44:53] that fresh again would be awesome now you know what's amazing cuz on the other side you can travel in an instant

[01:44:59] there's no such thing as rate or distance really so if you take that equation you know that we have rate

[01:45:06] times time equals distance it collapses time so this is kind of why we have

[01:45:11] precognition when we come back from these experiences or you can travel to the past and you know see this thinking

[01:45:17] of the Titanic or what have you okay Breaston I had one precognitive experience but I don't think it had

[01:45:25] anything to do with astral travel or being out of my body on the other hand what do I know maybe it did but I

[01:45:32] remember being awake you know moving from place to place when I had this experience so no I think I was awake I

[01:45:39] don't I don't think that was actually traveling but your point is good test it is what you say right right well one of

[01:45:47] the things if you dudes astral travel be prepared to have a lot of psychic experiences because it activates I guess

[01:45:55] you'll call them your chakras mm-hmm you know and you'll feel it I mean you will

[01:46:00] physically feel this stuff um when you have you know premonition for example I

[01:46:05] mean I had a really powerful one I had this vision I was going to the ATM to get some money yeah and I had this

[01:46:11] vision that there was this gangster looking guy there dressed in leather whipping his hair around I'm like God

[01:46:17] you know that's weird yes it is and God you know drive up to know what's up still

[01:46:22] mile away got there and there he was got chills down my spine just like I saw like I'm not going near that thing okay

[01:46:29] so in other words you was a precognitive warning exactly I've had a number of

[01:46:35] those on and you start to learn stuff about people's that you know you can to

[01:46:41] a certain extent read people a lot better than you normally could Wow

[01:46:47] all right Wallace Berg it's midnight you're on the air hello wherever Wallace Berg is on the phone

[01:46:55] hello oh yes hello how are you doing that it's an honor to be prettier so I have a question for your guests there

[01:47:01] I guess I've uh lucid dream lately but this one time I'm sorry a little nervous

[01:47:09] ah relax just take a deep breath yeah just talking about sure sure

[01:47:15] this one time I awoke and and I was

[01:47:20] laying in bed and I I saw my at the back of my body leaving the bedroom or

[01:47:25] getting out of bed or and walking towards the bedroom door wow I thought

[01:47:31] it was so hard obviously to see myself walking away so it's like a reverse yeah

[01:47:37] the body or something so I was wondering if he has ever experienced anything like

[01:47:42] that or what it would mean if it has any meaning that is so close it Preston he

[01:47:49] sees himself walking away how could that mean yeah not quite exactly that way but

[01:47:56] that's called bilocation and what's happening is you're conscious in either your body or your astral body and if

[01:48:04] you're good at it you can do both there was one time where I was out there flying I don't know where in God's name

[01:48:11] I was on but far away at the same time I started to become aware of my bedroom and mind you you know I'm lying there

[01:48:18] with my eyes closed but I go you know I think I'm awake no so I opened one eye

[01:48:23] this is not like yet I'm awake at the same time I'm out there astral traveling so to a certain extent that's this is

[01:48:30] called bilocation people are able to do it to the extent you know that they can sit down and be

[01:48:35] physically in another place so you could you this caller could probably switch positions if he was really good at it he

[01:48:43] could jump to the astral body that was leaving and being that one right that's

[01:48:49] what I would recommend concentrate on that one and see if you can transfer your awareness to it well you should be

[01:48:54] able to what do you think what do you think you want to give it a try well I just happened you know I never meant for

[01:49:02] it to happen or anything so and this is probably a couple years ago now so sure

[01:49:07] if it ever happens again I wouldn't perhaps try that out but yes all right

[01:49:13] well good luck with it and and I hope it works this is a lot to take in it really

[01:49:19] is let's go to Nick on skype I Nick hello I'm here me oh sure just fine hey

[01:49:26] art longtime listener I'm glad you're back real quick I just had a question

[01:49:31] for mr. Preston has he ever has he ever

[01:49:39] confused or I don't know how to put it another way out of body experiences with

[01:49:46] lucid dreaming because I know that as a as a kid I used to practice lucid

[01:49:53] dreaming a lot went on message boards reading about lucid dreaming and I feel

[01:49:59] like a lot of what he's saying reminds me of lynnster dreaming that makes sense Preston right well most people who look

[01:50:07] into this degree that they're connected there's no doubt I think personally that

[01:50:12] a lucid dream is when you know you're projecting the reality around you

[01:50:17] problem is you can be out-of-body in one of the higher dimensions and be doing

[01:50:22] this so the definitions blur is it's it's hard to say yeah but the line is

[01:50:30] between the two but you know project out of a lucid dream into the physical world

[01:50:35] well because I'll you know I've gone I have felt the whole audio out of body

[01:50:41] experience thing I you know one time I I was asleep on a couch and I was in a

[01:50:46] strange place and all of a sudden I was half awake half asleep and I felt like there was a

[01:50:53] someone sitting on my chest a scary voice kind of came into my head and and

[01:50:58] and I sort of saw myself in the room but that only happened one time but I've had

[01:51:04] lucid dreaming x' happen i've had lucid dreams a lot more than that and i felt

[01:51:10] like there was a distinct difference between those two things do you you don't think there's a distinct you know

[01:51:15] difference between the two well there's sort of gradations I would say um you

[01:51:20] know it's very hard to divide them apart because some people feel that the lucid dream is superior to the normal

[01:51:27] out-of-body experience I think they're separate you know we there are certain levels to dreaming in the very beginning

[01:51:34] you have dreams which are just the things you did drop today then the movies you saw then you move up to a

[01:51:40] psychological level of dreaming where you're dealing with your fears and desires then you bring in lucid dreaming

[01:51:46] and you can deal with those in a conscious way but at some point you don't dream like a normal person you're

[01:51:53] awake all night and never actually fall asleep and you understand the difference

[01:51:59] between a mental projection in front of you depending on where you are I mean if you're on the physical world or on the

[01:52:06] other side where you're manipulating things or you're in a consensus reality like you know the heavenly realms where

[01:52:12] everyone agrees this is you know the way it is okay it's hard to describe I'm

[01:52:19] sure it is I all of this is hard for words hollar thank you yeah no problem and I

[01:52:25] just like to give a quick shout out to Richard Hoagland looking forward to his show after this I'm really enjoying it

[01:52:31] and just remember to think of the suicides coming up at midnight so

[01:52:41] sometimes I get into this state Trustin where I think that I have not

[01:52:49] slept all night and frankly I haven't slept all night but I have been in that

[01:52:56] little tiny gray area we were talking about in and out of it in and out it so much that I lose track of reality

[01:53:03] I lose track of reality that's the only way to put it and I might have a dream

[01:53:10] that appears to be or seems to be so real and so quick and I'm just like in

[01:53:16] and out of this in and out of this if I can't sleep its most of our dreams occur I'm told in that area between sleep and

[01:53:24] wakefulness is that true right the the REM state absolutely right but like I

[01:53:31] said we all go out about every night and the truth is were not unconscious for you know we're conscious on the other

[01:53:36] side we're talking to our relatives we're having experiences the planning out our days right and then we catch

[01:53:44] snippets of this as we know grade go down in a gradation to the physical world there's been times when I've been

[01:53:50] so far up there that I had to stop at each level and like you know write this down in a dream diary take that one down

[01:53:57] a level write that down and so on until I finally like am I really awake now uh-huh um I so I guess it's pretty

[01:54:05] common stuff boy we have got to take a break so we're gonna do that with

[01:54:11] Preston Genet as a guest we indeed are raging through the night from the high

[01:54:18] deserts and the Great American Southwest it just keeps getting better and better

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[01:56:19] art that's one nine five two two two five fifty to seventy eight oh we we

[01:56:25] definitely are what's next hi everybody i'm arpel this is midnight in the desert my guest is preston Genet and we're

[01:56:32] talking about old and i get messages on the computer and so here is one for you

[01:56:40] preston this comes from joe and he says can OBEs allow you to travel to

[01:56:46] different points in time as well time yes i mean that that's what the one

[01:56:53] caller said right he was ten right it's really startling when it first happens like what's going on but yeah you can

[01:57:00] travel to the past or the future i think the future is a little bit harder because you get no probable realities

[01:57:06] and you're not sure if these things are gonna happen or not but i think try to travel to the past i tried to see the

[01:57:12] titanic but i was not successful really yeah you can travel to um important

[01:57:21] times in the history people have been successful at doing this sort of a

[01:57:26] psychic you know investigations sort of time travel actually right absolutely if

[01:57:32] we have the ability to do this time is not what we think it is it's a person on the physical plane at least it's a fault

[01:57:39] of perception truth is time simultaneous all right all the way across country

[01:57:45] florida DeLand Florida I think you're on the air hey hey yeah I had you to thank

[01:57:55] for all my out-of-body experiences I've had over the years really you you heard some of my old shows on them

[01:58:01] Oh your first show I listened to was the night Chuck harder you would tell them

[01:58:07] that Chuck harder was missing was a long time ago sure I remember long

[01:58:12] but I had my father had passed away and my mother was an invalid and my sister

[01:58:20] he lived with her and she used to go to work really early in the morning I used to get up and drive over to my mother's

[01:58:25] and what I found out was it was interrupted sleep was causing it but I

[01:58:32] had you had our Albert Ayler on one night that's right and he was describing it and I had had

[01:58:39] the vibration saying a couple of times and it you feel like you're gonna die I mean it's it's a frightening time

[01:58:47] laughing it is writing yeah but what I was wanting to say to you is when you

[01:58:53] get to that point that's as scary as it gets once you just are there you just get out of bed real

[01:58:59] quick roll out and you'll be standing there and it's it's really cool but

[01:59:04] there's some things that I've noticed I've had a lot of them and there's

[01:59:11] certain things that I've read a lot of different books on it too because of it and I've made some little bullet points

[01:59:22] the there's I've seen these guys they look like monks with the hoods you know

[01:59:27] like Grim Reaper's without the sickle I went to talk to one of them and he just

[01:59:34] turned into like a stone pillar see that's not necessarily encouraging

[01:59:40] that's not an ankle grab but that's you know no but I've had the grabbing and

[01:59:45] stuff yeah I've had that laying in bed and I've had it I got a lot of these

[01:59:52] things and and but there's certain things like I've never seen the silver cord really one time I thought maybe but

[01:59:58] for the most part metal well it's a good question Preston do people see that cord do they actually see it um you know I

[02:00:05] never did I looked and finally I'm like you know what I'm gonna see it and I finally did I was gonna say otherwise

[02:00:11] how do you know it's there well you know it's there because enough people report it and if you look hard enough you can

[02:00:18] find it for some people it's a tiny little filament for others the big white house some people never see it at all some

[02:00:24] people see it symbolically I'd want to see it and I'd actually wanted to test its tensile strength you can do that so

[02:00:35] you've never used you have finally seen it or what not really I had an

[02:00:40] obstruction in my vision one time but when they talk about like commanding stuff I think it was William bule man

[02:00:50] had in his book about clarity now oh it's unbelievable I really you can see

[02:00:57] good the other thing is sometimes when you're laying there before when you've got the vibration thing going on right

[02:01:03] that's third eye bit that's pretty neat because all of a sudden you can see but

[02:01:08] your eyes are closed but yeah there's a

[02:01:14] it's just a quite an experience well right away seeing with your eyes closed that would be a big tip off right there

[02:01:23] yeah well how I always have done it I've laid in bed and just focused on my

[02:01:29] breathing right and as you breathe and I just make like it's coming up my feet up

[02:01:35] my legs and then out and while I'm relaxing and then when you think you're relaxed you can kind of like relax one

[02:01:41] more time you know you just get more limped a lot of times I'll focus on a

[02:01:47] little shape a triangle or a square or something right but then the other thing

[02:01:52] that helps also for me is thinking about

[02:01:57] where you're I think it was Albert Taylor might have said it but thinking about where you are in your body and

[02:02:03] it's like you know two inches behind your your eyes or whatever you know and

[02:02:09] when you think about that it's you get to where you don't feel your arms and legs anymore you're just so relaxed but

[02:02:15] that's usually when you hear the roaring sound or the people talking to you or

[02:02:20] what I mean it's it's it's very strange but once anymore I haven't had one in

[02:02:26] quite a while but I noticed when I was doing it I got to where I could I could have them pretty much every night if I

[02:02:34] wanted to but it drains you something terrible should you do it back-to-back couple of

[02:02:39] nights oh you feel like you've been hit by a truck I mean and then what happens you get so tired you just when you go to

[02:02:45] sleep you just won't have one but what what did it for me was the interrupted sleep and I didn't know what it was and

[02:02:52] like say going over to my mother's in the mornings there and then laying back down to get another hour to asleep and

[02:02:59] when I first had it I didn't know whether to go to like the hospital or what because that that vibration feeling

[02:03:06] like and he just feel like you're gonna die you know it's it's very unsettling but like I had that several times a

[02:03:12] night had no idea what it was but then I heard Albert on your show talking about it and he he was saying about all you

[02:03:18] have to just go with it and it's scary to do but the first time I did it easy

[02:03:26] to say it's easy to say but it's not so easy to actually do if you're afraid

[02:03:33] well now I was afraid and and that was the thing that I would you know was saying oh he's just got to go with it

[02:03:39] and I just got to the point where I you know yeah I wasn't enjoying having the vibration thing all the time and they're

[02:03:45] like as soon as you roll out that's gone that's that's the scariest part once you

[02:03:51] get to that point that's as bad is it from there on it's just really cool then

[02:03:56] you can I've been on them I stood on the moon art and looked at the earth and picked up a handful of it was like beach

[02:04:05] sand did the same darn things really

[02:04:10] yeah because that's exactly what I did the first night that I well the first

[02:04:18] time I had I fell out of my body and I was laying on the floor looking up at my legs on the bed and it was like and in

[02:04:25] boom I was back but then the next night I was able to completely just roll out

[02:04:32] and I got to the foot of the bed and I was standing there I could see my wife and myself sleeping and I was a little

[02:04:40] hesitant to leave the room and I did I don't like triple somersaults and

[02:04:45] stuff right there was just amazing and then I was back and after that I got brave and I thought

[02:04:52] okay I'm I'm gonna go somewhere and I dove through the front windows in the

[02:04:57] bedroom which I thought was going to take me out into like my front yard and

[02:05:02] I ended up in the tunnel with the light at the end and that was quite a ride and

[02:05:07] I got to the end of where the light was and I stopped and I thought this isn't where I want to go right now I was right

[02:05:14] back got the tunnel and back in my body I was about to ask you if you consider the John Lear thing at that point but

[02:05:20] don't lean oh yeah no it was it's a lot

[02:05:26] when you have it happen to you there's just a lot of information all at one time because it's and the other thing

[02:05:31] and I forgot I said what was it mentioned it got to be really quick we're coming up on break I think it was

[02:05:37] Albert Taylor had mentioned about your higher-self right and I've requested that one time well actually more than

[02:05:44] once but it's I've never it just it's like an inverted tornado over your top

[02:05:49] of you it's just swirling and it's the most intense euphoria you've ever could

[02:05:57] imagine and it just it it gets so intense it just bang you right back in your body that I've never gone beyond

[02:06:03] that alright well that that is a safety return this is where we have to safely

[02:06:08] depart I mark Belle this is midnight when I think crap

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[02:06:45] for Dark Matter news I'm Leo Ashcraft vitamin b3 an essential part of our diet

[02:06:51] its deficiency in humans can lead to nausea anemia and tiredness fortunately

[02:06:57] it can be gobbled up from sources such as salmon avocados and nuts but now scientists are eager to find out if

[02:07:03] there's another unexpected source space a team of researchers thinks that vitamin b3 could have been made on icy

[02:07:11] dust grains in the depths of space it would in this scenario have been delivered to earth on structures of

[02:07:17] comets and asteroids past research has shown that vitamin b3 is present on carbon rich meteorites in ratios between

[02:07:24] 30 and 60 parts per billion the team decided to recreate the formation of vitamin b3 in space like conditions they

[02:07:32] used a mixture of gases including pyridine which can be found in space in carbon dioxide ice pirating is one of

[02:07:39] the building blocks of vitamin b3 so the team was interested to see if it could manifest itself as vitamin b3 in these

[02:07:46] space light conditions the results from the experiments were promising the researchers tested their theory by

[02:07:52] cooling an aluminum plate to negative 423 degrees Fahrenheit in a vacuum to

[02:07:58] replicate the freezing temperatures of space the plate was then bombarded with protons to mimic space radiation that

[02:08:05] would give the gas mixture the energy to create reactions when the sediment formed on the plate they found a wide

[02:08:10] range of complex molecules including b3 this is an exciting result although it's

[02:08:16] far from proving that vitamin b3 on earth originated from space the next stage for these researchers will be to

[02:08:22] wait for someone to find some b3 out in space a landmark discovery was announced

[02:08:28] by NASA this month the possibility of a second earth in kepler 452b found by

[02:08:34] NASA's Kepler space telescope this planet orbits a star much like our Sun and a distance roughly similar to the

[02:08:41] earth could there be life on Earth 2.0 or even beyond the director for SETI the

[02:08:46] search for extraterrestrial intelligence Seth Shostak believes there could be szostak says in his video further we

[02:08:54] might be able to learn more we might even get a message if we get a message who knows what it might be he

[02:09:01] continues by saying on the other hand let's assume that in the conservative case if you will that you don't get a

[02:09:06] message you can't pick it up or you can't decode it you'll never know what it means this is dark matter news the City of

[02:09:16] Berkeley California passed a law that goes into effect next month requiring cell phone stores to inform customers

[02:09:22] about safety recommendations the move reopened to decades-old debate about whether mobile phones cause brain tumors

[02:09:28] the ordinance called the right to know law will start to require retailers to give customers a handout or display a

[02:09:35] sign in stores telling them about federal regulations on the amount of radiation that cell phones can emit in

[02:09:41] the instructions on safe phone use the information will also go beyond the current regulations by stating the

[02:09:47] children and anyone carrying their phone in a pocket or bra could be at increased risk of radiation exposure what the law

[02:09:53] does not require is that consumers be provided information about the specific health risks of being exposed to

[02:09:59] radiation researchers say that it is highly probable that long-term cellphone use can cause brain tumors in 2011 the

[02:10:07] World Health Organization classified the kind of low-energy radiation that cell phones emit as possibly carcinogenic

[02:10:13] because of a link between cell phone use and a type of malignant brain tumor called glioma and a benign brain tumor

[02:10:19] called acoustic neuroma both types of brain tumors are rare about five and ten thousand adults are diagnosed with

[02:10:26] glioma in the United States every year whereas about ten in a million people developed acoustic neuromas every year

[02:10:32] and you know art Bell he's been saying don't call the show on your cell phone for years so maybe he's some kind of

[02:10:38] prophet I'm Leo Ashcraft for Dark Matter news

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[02:11:29] wanna take a ride your conductor art Mel will punch your ticket when you call

[02:11:34] one-nine-five to call art that's one nine five two two two five fifty to

[02:11:40] seventy eight and my my Oh news guide took a shot at me not not really

[02:11:46] something about cell phones huh anyway president Dennett is my guest

[02:11:52] we're discussing OBEs and oh boy are we ever and he's done such a fabulous job

[02:11:58] that I really wanted to say hey Preston what would you like to promote your

[02:12:04] website you have books is a good opportunity to tell people how to get I

[02:12:09] don't know hints on how to do Oh bees I'm sure you have lots of written stuff

[02:12:15] you must you know so much about it yeah I do actually have a book out it's it's

[02:12:21] called out-of-body exploring the beginners approach you can learn more about it on my website if you just

[02:12:26] google my name Preston Dennett it'll take you right to my website the actual website address

[02:12:32] okay it sounds like Bennett's but it's not it's Dennett de n ni GT alright um

[02:12:39] ET tee it's ET TZ on it right ET tu g en

[02:12:46] m ET tee right I got all my books they're excerpts and you can contact me

[02:12:53] through my website if you have any questions or stories you'd like to share I'm always interested in you know

[02:12:58] hearing from people about this subject and UFOs as well do you ever get maple personal help excuse me do you ever get

[02:13:05] people personal help oh yeah oh yeah I can't some people through doing this um

[02:13:11] I think this is such a term from transformational experience art that I

[02:13:16] think it's really important that people know about it I do tend um I god I mean

[02:13:21] it just completely will transform their life I really urge people to at least give it a try alright alright good

[02:13:27] enough Donald your turn hi art Roswell's thank you I am to both of you actually

[02:13:34] I was going to ask your guest how he feels about deja vu in relation Dobies

[02:13:42] yeah well days every was a very interesting thing because I used to get it a lot and it started to increase

[02:13:48] really profoundly when I was doing out-of-body travels and what I found was

[02:13:53] I would have deja vu and suddenly I would remember having this experience before to the point where I could

[02:14:00] actually predict it I predict the person's conversation what was gonna be on the radio who was coming

[02:14:05] in at work and things like this and I realized that these were memories of you

[02:14:11] know the travels I had done the previous day so scarcely a day went by where I

[02:14:18] wasn't having you know some sort of deja vu oh wow do you think it's possible to transfer your soul possibly using OBEs

[02:14:25] Wow to transfer your soul into another vessel oh oh oh yeah this has talked about all

[02:14:32] the time and it's also one of the concerns by the way Preston what this caller brought up and that is let me

[02:14:39] take it familiar Donald that while you're out of your body your body

[02:14:45] becomes occupied by some sort of entity that may or may not be friendly just

[02:14:53] leave it there right well it hasn't been my experiences that's true what's the real case is when

[02:15:00] you're doing this work you almost always have a guide with you even if you don't perceive them I felt like I was on my

[02:15:06] own I really still feel like that most of the time because if I have a guide they rarely show themselves they have

[02:15:13] but uh it's my understanding they are there and I have not found that to be a

[02:15:20] problem even though I've done this many many times and I can't find any good evidence that this has ever really

[02:15:26] occurred and as far as inhabiting someone else well to a certain extent

[02:15:32] you you can perceive other people's thoughts oh well that's not the same as

[02:15:38] inhabiting another person no you can't I mean to kick them out of their own body

[02:15:43] or another person's body well you you meant really bad yeah you meant you can't move things that your hand just

[02:15:48] goes right through it or that you can walk through walls so presumably you could walk into a person right well the

[02:15:55] that you can walk yeah had people walk through me standing in front of them and it's very disconcerting right right but

[02:16:05] you can't stick inside them you can't um okay I haven't tried it you know I've but uh it's not something I

[02:16:13] would give I just know how it comes out for you well you know I'm willing to give it a

[02:16:21] try it's not something I don't want to take someone over turn on this one with the air yeah I that was the obvious

[02:16:28] question is it possible to essentially take someone over and you think influence people oh you can you know

[02:16:36] because all our thoughts are not necessarily our own we're picking up on you know this sort of telepathy even if

[02:16:42] we don't know it to a certain extent some of our thoughts our influences from our spirit guides

[02:16:47] have you ever influenced somebody and in what way um no you know I have tried and

[02:16:53] I'm like I'm here I'm here I'm here I talk to people on the other side my brothers and sisters who are alive and

[02:16:58] tried to get them to remember what they were doing and they could not it's very

[02:17:04] much about memory this whole actual travel thing it's about awareness

[02:17:10] it's about intent right and you know focus these sorts of things okay let's

[02:17:18] go to Edmonton Alberta you're on the air hello sir oh hi hello it's wonderful to

[02:17:26] hear you man welcome back from everybody I'm sure you're sorely missed and I'm actually

[02:17:33] shocked to be on the air right now but I gotta talk about this now it was years

[02:17:39] ago when I was listening to your show unless the reason I have a name for what happened to me um I were I hadn't well

[02:17:45] be I guess what you're talking about I was in college and going through a

[02:17:51] pretty tough time I really wasn't ready for the experience and I I had a I guess

[02:17:57] we a peak experience where I was doing the drawing and was art school and doing

[02:18:02] a drawing in the studio was late at night and I I guess I kind of felt like

[02:18:08] at a pillar of light coming from the heaven so like I was really connected to everything but then I had a an anxiety

[02:18:15] attack I guess so went home that night and my dad picked up from the hospital

[02:18:20] and mind you know no drugs here I'm not a drug user no when drugs is a very good question

[02:18:26] will last yeah nothing like that art even back in my college days I was very pretty

[02:18:32] straight guy now what happened is I went to sleep and had what the sleep

[02:18:40] paralysis and she laid there after I saw the roof of my bedroom the the the

[02:18:48] stucco on the roof and it looked like the room was bathed in a kind of a like

[02:18:53] a street lamp light no I I missed the earlier part of that of the conversation but I don't know that's

[02:18:59] common know is that is there anything common about that oh yeah yeah when you

[02:19:06] go out of body everything glows around you it's the whole world kind of glows and higher you go without brighter

[02:19:12] clothes Wow yeah and I had and I had like that the buzzing and all that and there was

[02:19:18] anyway my question is kind of does that sort of physical and mental anxiety tend

[02:19:29] to cause those experiences because I I haven't had a full OBE since then though I have had sleep paralysis quite

[02:19:37] frequently and I still have it but it doesn't frighten me as much anymore because they I kind of learned to live

[02:19:43] with it right it used to terrify me now now it doesn't so much but I wonder if

[02:19:49] you could tell me about that right well absolutely a fear of death this is where this sort of thing is I think coming

[02:19:57] from it's the most pervasive fear that we have and this is something that

[02:20:02] confronts it head-on and it can cause extreme fear and anxiety and terror and

[02:20:08] it's something that we all have to work through and this is why it's such a great thing for you know elevating you

[02:20:15] spiritually and come you know working along the spiritual path this is a great

[02:20:21] way to face your fears I guess isn't sure I'm saying all right let me ask you about drugs there are those who say they

[02:20:29] have experiences very much as you have described or part of what you describe

[02:20:36] with certain mind-altering drugs is this an avenue you have experimented with or

[02:20:44] know about I have not experimented with it I haven't taken to Lucena Jen's are

[02:20:50] any of these so-called you know drugs which do apparently have an effect like this and I do know of a couple of cases

[02:20:57] at least where people have had drug overdoses and Anjan some of those people

[02:21:02] definitely go all the way to the light they do you know and they don't always come back but some do come back with

[02:21:09] these profound out-of-body experiences that they've had so it's possible to do

[02:21:14] it through the influence of drugs or as a result of drugs it's not something I would recommend you know there are

[02:21:21] various ways of doing it people you know do what you call diet purification

[02:21:29] things you don't have to stop eating meat you know I've done this under the influence of alcohol which is I guess an

[02:21:36] interesting that is interesting you would think alcohol which initially and

[02:21:41] for a very short time is a stimulant but then becomes a depressant I believe it's

[02:21:46] much harder to do I've noticed that you know it's easier to do all this stuff if you're clear-headed if you're not an

[02:21:53] angry person if you don't have things you've procrastinated right all these problems but if you can work through all

[02:22:01] this sort of baggage within your personality not it all right makes a lot easier all right let's go to Andy and

[02:22:09] whoever is with Andy in the background hi Andy yes that my baby's awakened my

[02:22:17] wife that's who you've been hearing in the background that's all right where are you I'm actually in San Diego County

[02:22:24] California okay well on the air you are yes actually I don't know how much time you

[02:22:30] allow per caller but this subject really speaks to me

[02:22:37] it's something that I've experienced my whole life really just to give you a

[02:22:42] little bit of background on me I was born and raised in the in Haiti so

[02:22:48] English is really my third language I would say okay and

[02:22:54] growing up I've always had this experience of being outside of mop on my body to the point where as a child I

[02:23:00] thought that was normal to leave your body and have different experiences that might we could and so it was so common

[02:23:08] that you was normal yes to me I thought it was something that everybody had

[02:23:13] experienced to the point where I tried it in real life per se and during my

[02:23:20] dreams I would fly all the time and I tried that while I was awake and I

[02:23:26] hurt my knees as a child really yes I tried to fly in the hallway in my house

[02:23:31] and I landed on my knees and I hurt myself pretty badly to me that's how

[02:23:37] real it felt then where I tried to replicate him when I was awake oh so you were fully awake you did the

[02:23:44] bad deed do your knees yes I was about maybe 10 or 11 years old and pretty good question let me ask cristen about that

[02:23:51] president if you can't distinguish between when you're out and when you're

[02:23:56] in then you could do something really awful like that right most interesting

[02:24:01] you bring this up because there's a number of cases where people have tried to fly as kids and they were successful I wrote a book called human levitation

[02:24:08] it recounts you know a dozen cases like that 300 plus cases across the world oh

[02:24:15] we could show do a whole show on that I I didn't want him to fly all my life

[02:24:20] we can't physically do that this is something we can do on the other side and sometimes the abilities from the

[02:24:26] other side translate here but if you get wrong the new injured if you get it

[02:24:31] wrong you hurt your knees right dollar yes honestly it felt real to me you felt

[02:24:36] like I could do it at the moment and when I did try it that it didn't end up really well for me but also there you go

[02:24:49] I'm sorry I messed you up there repeat what you just said yes one thing I

[02:24:55] wanted to ask your guest mr. arpel is that sleep paralysis is something that

[02:25:02] I've experienced all along with all these wonderful experiences right and just to give you a

[02:25:10] little bit more about myself I am currently active duty member of the United States Marine Corps

[02:25:15] okay and one time I was on the range in

[02:25:21] one Marine Corps Base I won't say which one not to give myself away but uh I was

[02:25:27] sleeping there at night and I had the sleep paralysis experience and it again I felt the

[02:25:34] adduct presence that most people feel when they are in sleep paralysis but this time it didn't really go away after

[02:25:41] a while like it usually does it persisted over the night and I felt that

[02:25:47] presence over and over again and I was very distressed every time I walk up I was paralyzed and I felt that dog

[02:25:53] presence around me and I felt like at one point there was a very very good

[02:26:01] presence around me that came in order to help me get through that and it showed

[02:26:06] itself to me in the form of a man would this be the guide Preston that's what I

[02:26:14] wanted to know would that be the spirit guide or the guardian endo or the higher self or whatever anybody would call it

[02:26:21] that came to me to help me through that tough time yeah like that very may well

[02:26:29] be it sounds like it you know what the thing is when you do these experiences you start to increase your perception

[02:26:35] you can start be able to see ghosts and ghosts or spirits my whole life and it

[02:26:43] became common to me after a while so yeah you have to do with that you can

[02:26:48] sense entered energies you can sense good energies and it's a it's a completely different world that we're

[02:26:55] dealing with here it gives me a name

[02:27:00] this is the first time that it's that anything I've seen in that weird state

[02:27:05] that was in I'm gonna have to go we're so short on time I want to say hello to Brenda very

[02:27:11] quickly hi Brenda hello Brenda going Molly hello

[02:27:20] it says Brenda say you hello I repeat hello hello hello yes hello I

[02:27:29] hear an Australian accent speak not Australian oh where are you New Zealand

[02:27:38] New Zealand that's I shouldn't say close enough yes Britain country okay we have

[02:27:44] only got a moment so if you have a question lay it on us I'll just a wonderful program tonight

[02:27:50] well that is so very kind of you to say thank you and I will end it there and

[02:27:56] once again since we're about at the end of the show give us your website ways to

[02:28:02] learn more because that's what people want right if you want to go to my website just google my name Preston

[02:28:09] Dennett the actual website is Preston tenet dot weebly.com but yeah if you

[02:28:16] just google my name I've got all my books up on my website Ryan said sixteen or seventeen of them and a bunch of

[02:28:23] other stuff excerpts and I love to hear from people who've had this experience or I don't want to learn how to do it

[02:28:30] because definitely it's easy to do you just have to take the effort and do it you know knuckle down well you obviously

[02:28:36] know a very great deal about it and have done a lot of it which makes you such a joy to interview because I don't know

[02:28:43] you've been down in the good part the bad part you've been through it all Preston thank you for being on the

[02:28:49] program well it's been an honor and you can be sure I'm sure we'll do it again buddy awesome

[02:28:55] in my desert shooting stars across the sky

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